Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81%

[Epona]

Well who the fuck are you?>

Please don't do this on this thread, where a lot of the posters or their nearest and dearest suffer prejudice and threat IRL on a daily basis - please go to bed.

This is not a suitable arena for this sort of late night and possibly drunken row.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I would say some regret this treatment.

You're just trolling, get off the thread.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

I don't think gender dysphoria isn't real.

Then fuck off. You shouldn't be posting here.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

You don't judge me.

You seen intent on judging people like me as liars so I'll judge you as much as I fucking like.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Apparently only 1 % regret it thus far. It's not many statistically, but still some.

You could shut modern medicine down if you think a 1% regret rate is significant. You daft, transphobic twat.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

I don't think gender dysphoria isn't real.

but what the fuck I will get beat up anyway.

Fuck off. Just fuck off. Some of us have actually been beaten up by people who hold your opinions.

 

[Karl Masks]

Puberty blockers ban motivated by ex-minister’s personal view, UK court told

High court told emergency order banning drugs for young people with gender dysphoria not backed by evidence

www.theguardian.com

looks promising?

Not if Wes makes it a permaban.

Labour are at best sending out mixed messages on trans issues. Are they so depserate to avoid the ire of Rowling and Glinner?

 

[Lotte]

Streeting is the one appointment I'm not happy about. He is a snake.

 

[mojo pixy]

He doesn't appear (based on an interview I heard on Thursday) to know the difference between 'free rein' and 'free range'. Not really a big deal if he were working in care or in a call centre or driving a van, but I want my health secretary to at least possess basic literacy.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

He'll destroy the NHS but he'll get away with it cos trans people. It's a proven tactic and he's gonna keep using it.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

There's probably a higher regret rate for being a transphobic arsehole than there is for any treatment related to gender dysphoria.

 

[smokedout]

He doesn't appear (based on an interview I heard on Thursday) to know the difference between 'free rein' and 'free range'. Not really a big deal if he were working in care or in a call centre or driving a van, but I want my health secretary to at least possess basic literacy.

He also doesn't appear to know the difference between puberty blockers and cross sex hormones which are actually what can cause potentially irreversible changes and which are still available for under 18s and which would be the usual proscribing route for those over 16. There is little point blocking puberty when it's almost over and the practice alleged at The Tavistock where they forced 16/17 year olds to go on blockers for a year before being eligible for hormones was just medically absurd gatekeeping.

Most of those spouting off about this, including Streeting, don't even understand the most basic facts of trans healthcare. But then this isn't really about medicine. Puberty blockers have become totemic in the (mostly online) crusade against trans people. Most of them don't actually give a shit about the evidence, they just want the win, a big point scored over the so-called trans lobby. You can see that in the reaction to Cass which despite it's many flaws does not actually call for blockers to be banned and acknowledges they are the right course of action in some cases.

That's the Cass report they hold up as gospel, which they've managed to spin as calling for a complete end to youth transition when it doesn't say that at all. Facts don't matter. The kids don't matter. Not even Cass matters. Winning the argument and hurting trans people is all that's important.

 

[InArduisFouette]

I would say some regret this treatment.

Regret rates for Gender affirming treatments are less than 1 %

Regret rates for other common surgical procedures are much , much higher - but oddly enough people aren;t calling for total knee arthroplasty to be banned...

Patients’ experiences of discontentment one year after total knee arthroplasty- a qualitative study

Total knee arthroplasty is a common procedure with generally good results. However, there are still patients who are dissatisfied without known explanation. Satisfaction and dissatisfaction have previously been captured by quantitative designs, but there ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[InArduisFouette]

Not if Wes makes it a permaban.

Labour are at best sending out mixed messages on trans issues. Are they so depserate to avoid the ire of Rowling and Glinner?

we shall see what the finding of the court hearing on friday 12th July was in due course

we'll also see if the Government takes heed of the International consensus on the clear failings of the Cass report and it's pre-determined outcomes

 

[InArduisFouette]

He also doesn't appear to know the difference between puberty blockers and cross sex hormones which are actually what can cause potentially irreversible changes and which are still available for under 18s and which would be the usual proscribing route for those over 16. There is little point blocking puberty when it's almost over and the practice alleged at The Tavistock where they forced 16/17 year olds to go on blockers for a year before being eligible for hormones was just medically absurd gatekeeping.

Most of those spouting off about this, including Streeting, don't even understand the most basic facts of trans healthcare. But then this isn't really about medicine. Puberty blockers have become totemic in the (mostly online) crusade against trans people. Most of them don't actually give a shit about the evidence, they just want the win, a big point scored over the so-called trans lobby. You can see that in the reaction to Cass which despite it's many flaws does not actually call for blockers to be banned and acknowledges they are the right course of action in some cases.

That's the Cass report they hold up as gospel, which they've managed to spin as calling for a complete end to youth transition when it doesn't say that at all. Facts don't matter. The kids don't matter. Not even Cass matters. Winning the argument and hurting trans people is all that's important.

The nuanced Criticism of Cass over blockers is two fold

1. that the evidence dismissed as 'low quality' is implied to be be poor evidence and doesn't actually take account of the requirements for 'High Quality' evidence or the fact that GRADE is not meant to be applied mechanistically ( and isn;t in other apsects of healthcare)

What is GRADE? | BMJ Best Practice

BMJ Best Practice

bestpractice.bmj.com

2. the suggestion that the only way to access them on the NHS is to be part of a long term Research projects, despite
a. the medication is licenced in the paediatric population for different indications
b. the coercive nature of the treatment only being offered within the trial is a breach of the Nuremburg code https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199711133372006
c. there being 35 years of experience in the use of this class of medication in the indication of ' suspension of puberty in Gender incongruent adolescents'
d. WPATH 7 and 8 guidelines and their underpinning evidence bases, as well as numerous national guideliens elsewhere in the world including Canada, Spain. Australia and Aotearoa /New Zealand.

 

[Elpenor]

Then fuck off. You shouldn't be posting here.

Best to ignore that poster if it’s after about 2200 they’re half cut and looking for aggro

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Anyone who thinks trans kids shouldn't be given blockers needs to first explain this.

 

[8ball]

Anyone who thinks trans kids shouldn't be given blockers needs to first explain this.


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Explain what?

I thought the use of these drugs for precocious puberty was common knowledge. Has certainly been discussed on these boards plenty.

This doesn’t mean they were deemed safe, either. They were used initially off-label (which is different to being “prescribed normally”) after careful consideration of the balance of risks. I think later licensing may have been patchy. There was also some occasional use on unusually small children to allow them to “catch up” before hitting puberty (which then determines the final height they may reach). There has been a little controversy about this.

Not that it really impacts on the row about trans kids - it would be an entirely different risk assessment.

Unfortunately, due to inadequate follow up, it seems that lots of data on these previously treated children with regard to long term effects on cognitive function, fertility etc. has been lost.

Fair to say they were sometimes considered safe enough to offset the serious risks that occur from eg. the beginning of menstruation in a 7 year old.

 

[two sheds]

I don't think gender dysphoria isn't real.

Did you misunderstand this Jennaonthebeach ? I ask because I always have to stop and think about double negatives.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Did you misunderstand this Jennaonthebeach ? I ask because I always have to stop and think about double negatives.

I actually don't believe them from everything else they've been saying.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Explain what?

I thought the use of these drugs for precocious puberty was common knowledge. Has certainly been discussed on these boards plenty.

This doesn’t mean they were deemed safe, either. They were used initially off-label (which is different to being “prescribed normally”) after careful consideration of the balance of risks. I think later licensing may have been patchy. There was also some occasional use on unusually small children to allow them to “catch up” before hitting puberty (which then determines the final height they may reach). There has been a little controversy about this.

Not that it really impacts on the row about trans kids - it would be an entirely different risk assessment.

Unfortunately, due to inadequate follow up, it seems that lots of data on these previously treated children with regard to long term effects on cognitive function, fertility etc. has been lost.

Fair to say they were sometimes considered safe enough to offset the serious risks that occur from eg. the beginning of menstruation in a 7 year old.

So they've been banned for trans kids, but they still use them for cis kids, and you don't see a problem with that? Fucks sake!! It's like going round i ever decreasing circles. It makes me think its me going mad. I guess that's what cis people want.

 

[two sheds]

Yes fair play. He did actually throw an insult in the second half of that post.

He does recognize that he's been out of order, but that isn't always a lot of help.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Putting this whole bollocks thread on ignore.

 

[two sheds]

I actually don't believe them from everything else they've been saying.

Yes fair play. He did actually throw an insult that I left off the quote in the second half of that post.

He does recognize that he's been out of order, but that isn't always a lot of help.

 

[8ball]

So they've been banned for trans kids, but they still use them for cis kids, and you don't see a problem with that? Fucks sake!! It's like going round i ever decreasing circles. It makes me think its me going mad. I guess that's what cis people want.

Yeah, cis people bad.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Love this idea that we're only allowed to discuss blockers once, even as events unfold that threaten to put trans rights back a century.

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Cis people have told me to shut up, so I'm leaving this thread. Bye.

 

[8ball]

Cis people have told me to shut up, so I'm leaving this thread. Bye.

Are they in the room with you right now?

 

[lazythursday]

Why do you repeatedly feel the need to be a right prick on this thread 8ball ?

I would ask the same of Humberto but at least he's clearly got an excuse related to his alcohol consumption and mental health.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Explain what?

I thought the use of these drugs for precocious puberty was common knowledge. Has certainly been discussed on these boards plenty.

This doesn’t mean they were deemed safe, either. They were used initially off-label (which is different to being “prescribed normally”) after careful consideration of the balance of risks. I think later licensing may have been patchy. There was also some occasional use on unusually small children to allow them to “catch up” before hitting puberty (which then determines the final height they may reach). There has been a little controversy about this.

Not that it really impacts on the row about trans kids - it would be an entirely different risk assessment.

Unfortunately, due to inadequate follow up, it seems that lots of data on these previously treated children with regard to long term effects on cognitive function, fertility etc. has been lost.

Fair to say they were sometimes considered safe enough to offset the serious risks that occur from eg. the beginning of menstruation in a 7 year old.

are you trolling ?

are you more interested in the sexual function of children than them not un-aliving themselves ?

GnRH analogues have been used in the treatment of Adolescents with Gender Incongruence for 35 years