Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
I don't think Starmer will want to, and i don't think he will do so by choice. But the idea of ripping up what is still considered one of the few good things post Iraq war Labour did just seems unlikely to me.
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Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
The BBC are still treating "both sides" as equally valid though, with rather more space being given to the transphobes, and not a single trans person quoted.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
the problem at present is that if Starmer said anything other than vague agreement with ' we need to listen to the concerns of (puppets of patriarchy) women ' the media would go to town and distract from all the sleaze emerging aobut Tories and Reform.
It is my beleif that under a further Selfservative government things would get objectively worse , where under labour things would not get worse and knee Jerk stuff from the EHRC would be forgotten and withdrawn and the GnRH analogue restrictions would quietly be allowed to lapse
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
dunno really
i think starmer's instinct is to be soggy and try to please everyone and end up pissing everyone off.
until even a few months, i'd have agreed with you on that. until fairly recently, i wouldn't have expected a labour front bencher to be talking about sending immigrants back to bangladesh...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh, sure. I’m under no illusions that the BBC are good guys. (I remember Orgreave). I just mean I haven’t seen any story about cancelling David Tennant in either app. And, following the above posts, I did look.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
But if inaction wins the day the Equality Act will stay in place, and all the GCs put in place by the Tories, who have been working to confuse the meaning of the act ( or as i call it, tell lies about what the law says) will be gone, replaced by Labour appointments.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
No - that was just me jumping to a conclusion based on current events.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
exactly
ditto the restrictions on GnRH analogues - a 3 month temporary restriction put in place without following the processes for these restrictiosn, which incidentially have not been used when they could have been been over far more harmful substances
Cloo
Banana for scale
That's kind of where I'm sitting. It is encouraging that Starmer has outright said that 'culture wars' are an exhausting distraction, hopefully he will include the 'trans issue' in that. They're not going to do enough but sadly at the moment 'not making things worse' may be all we can hope for.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
I doubt they will do anything beyond the bare minimum for trans people. Why would they? There are so few of us, and about half people in UK are against us now thanks to media and Tories. So file in "believe it when I sees it."
The bare minimum could be worse than doing nothing. The Conversion Therapy ban is likely to be so watered down that it won't include much of the conversion therapy trans people are currently facing and could be used as a weapon now that GCs have decided that LGB kids are being 'transed' as a form of conversion therapy. Streeting has said he will follow the Cass report and keep the puberty blockers ban, although that is likely to run up against legal challenges. The proposals for gender recognition reform so far looks pretty meaningless and could make things worse, especially now everyone seems to be pretending you need a GRC to access single sex spaces like toilets.
And the cost of the bare minimum will be yet more endless and vicious debate as Labour attempt to throw a bone to trans people whilst appeasing gender criticals, who will not be appeased by anything other than legislation which aims to eliminate trans people from existing as trans in society. Just look at Starmer's recent agreement to meet Rowling, who immediately demanded he must also meet a whole load of other groups at the same time and that Rayner must apologise for past comments before the newly elected Prime Minister is granted an audience with Queen Terf.
The entitlement is off the fucking scale and if he wants to genuinely help trans people then he needs to stand up to the gender critical movement and call out their bullshit and actually involve trans people themselves in drafting any proposals. And if he can't do that, and he won't, then it would be far better to just keep trans rights off the agenda for a couple of years and hopefully things will quieten down a bit.
Trans rights are progessing all over the world without incident, the terfs are taking chunks out of each other just as viciously as they attack trans people, half of them have gone full on crank, they still can't put numbers on the streets, the moderates are peeling away and barely anyone under 45 is remotely interested in their shit. Better to stop putting fuel on the fire imo.
And the cost of the bare minimum will be yet more endless and vicious debate as Labour attempt to throw a bone to trans people whilst appeasing gender criticals, who will not be appeased by anything other than legislation which aims to eliminate trans people from existing as trans in society. Just look at Starmer's recent agreement to meet Rowling, who immediately demanded he must also meet a whole load of other groups at the same time and that Rayner must apologise for past comments before the newly elected Prime Minister is granted an audience with Queen Terf.
The entitlement is off the fucking scale and if he wants to genuinely help trans people then he needs to stand up to the gender critical movement and call out their bullshit and actually involve trans people themselves in drafting any proposals. And if he can't do that, and he won't, then it would be far better to just keep trans rights off the agenda for a couple of years and hopefully things will quieten down a bit.
Trans rights are progessing all over the world without incident, the terfs are taking chunks out of each other just as viciously as they attack trans people, half of them have gone full on crank, they still can't put numbers on the streets, the moderates are peeling away and barely anyone under 45 is remotely interested in their shit. Better to stop putting fuel on the fire imo.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Even the pretty anti trans guardian has a small element of oh shit Labour are just going to do continuity transphobia in their piece here - especially Streeting the ham faced fuck.
www.theguardian.com
Campaigners lament ‘completely off’ UK election discussion of trans issues
Trans people ‘being used as a political football’ with heightened mainstream and social media coverage
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
This is a weird one but bear with me.
Nina Power, supposed left wing writer and gender critical activist, and Daniel DC Miller attempted to sue Luke Thomas for libel for pointing out they wrote horrendous right wing shit.
And they lost, and have now both been declared bankrupt because they had to pay 80% of Luke Thomas's costs.
What's even wilder is how fucking occult nazi they were, as revealed in the chat logs and emails between them: Victory in High Court libel case against Nina Power and Daniel ‘DC’ Miller - Luke Turner
And even as both are now bankrupt and their weird fucking anti trans nazi far right shit has been revealed... they're being defended by one of the UK's transphobes.
Nina Power, supposed left wing writer and gender critical activist, and Daniel DC Miller attempted to sue Luke Thomas for libel for pointing out they wrote horrendous right wing shit.
And they lost, and have now both been declared bankrupt because they had to pay 80% of Luke Thomas's costs.
What's even wilder is how fucking occult nazi they were, as revealed in the chat logs and emails between them: Victory in High Court libel case against Nina Power and Daniel ‘DC’ Miller - Luke Turner
Nina Power - Antisemitism Trial Evidence
Nina Power has lost the High Court libel claim that she and Daniel 'DC' Miller brought against me. In the ruling, the judge described their conduct as an aggressive course of bullying with the whiff of threat and antisemitism
luketurner.com
And even as both are now bankrupt and their weird fucking anti trans nazi far right shit has been revealed... they're being defended by one of the UK's transphobes.
Cloo
Banana for scale
It is encouraging to see that in the run-up to the election this week there has been a swathe of posts on Mumsnet saying things 'Women will be 2nd class citizens' 'Labour won't win because they don't know what a woman is' 'Don't vote away your daughter's rights on Thursday' where the vast majority of replies are 'What total bullshit, you realise most people aren't bothered, women actually have much bigger problems than worrying about meeting a trans person' and so on.
Cloo
Banana for scale
The prosecco stormfront was never any kind of majority on there TBH. They created a 'feminism and gender' forum that mostly corrales them in one place to wail at one another but if they venture onto general threads they have never had traction with most people.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Good on Robin for their action. Really impressive what that group organised
Cloo
Banana for scale
They came back yesterday, very psyched up about the whole thing and enthused about the level of solidarity and bonding with others during it. I was glad the kids made their point - so much talking is done about trans kids without actually considering them as individual people when they are very capable of explaining their identities and are not 'confused'.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
Yeah, that pisses me off too. So much is made of wanting to "protect" trans kids without actually asking them how they feel.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I also hate the 'autistic kids can't be trans' thing - as I have heard people with autism point out, have you tried to get an autistic person to do something they don't want to do?! I think for autistic trans people, such as my nephew, being in control of their gender identity and being seen as they are is something that enables them to negotiate the world.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
The Power stuff is so grim and depressing (I mean, a lot of all of this is so grim and depressing). I never knew her personally, and appreciate it must be much weirder for those who did, but she used to be someone I had so much respect for, and even in stuff she wrote after she'd clearly gone wrong there'd be moments of lucidity there, stuff she said that chimed with my own thoughts about trying to be more open-minded, less rigid and so on... but if being open-minded just comes down to "you can't tell me off for being a nazi now" then fuck it. Also very noticeable how quickly someone can go from feminism to "gender-critical" feminism toThis is a weird one but bear with me.
Nina Power, supposed left wing writer and gender critical activist, and Daniel DC Miller attempted to sue Luke Thomas for libel for pointing out they wrote horrendous right wing shit.
And they lost, and have now both been declared bankrupt because they had to pay 80% of Luke Thomas's costs.
What's even wilder is how fucking occult nazi they were, as revealed in the chat logs and emails between them: Victory in High Court libel case against Nina Power and Daniel ‘DC’ Miller - Luke Turner
Nina Power - Antisemitism Trial Evidence
Nina Power has lost the High Court libel claim that she and Daniel 'DC' Miller brought against me. In the ruling, the judge described their conduct as an aggressive course of bullying with the whiff of threat and antisemitismluketurner.com
And even as both are now bankrupt and their weird fucking anti trans nazi far right shit has been revealed... they're being defended by one of the UK's transphobes.
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Very funny that that Miller prick turns out to be the offspring of a Spectator journo and a Goldman Sachs lawyer though.
What is her pre-boring crank reputation based on? I read One Dimensional Woman years ago and it was alright from what I remember but I didn't get a lot from it, I don't know about anything else she did though.
It really really upsets and frightens me how normalised people being openly Nazi has become. I mean, Jews won't get it in the neck first if there's a second Holocaust, it'll be Muslims or trans people, but we won't be far off.
All the people defending Power are ignoring the fact she said she was a fucking Nazi.
All the people defending Power are ignoring the fact she said she was a fucking Nazi.
I' glad some people have sense. This is also why I'm so sick of Starmer pandering to TERFs. They hate him, they bleat on about how he ~doesn't know what a woman is~ and won't vote for him. Anyone would think Labour were the Taliban the way these people are talking. I'd be far more worried about some of their allies, especially the anti-abortion ones and the violent misogynists, but these women would vote for Attila the Hun if he hated trans people enough. They also live in a weird little bubble where they assume everyone is obsessed with trans people as they are. Most of them have never met and will never meet a trans person in their lives.
I wish they'd all fuck off to Russia.
ETA: Cloo, there is a Sex and Gender subforum but the trans shit gets EVERYWHERE. It even gets into pet threads. AIBU is full of anti-trans crap, Scotsnet is full of it as well because they hate the SNP there. Black Mumsnet isn't - some of them are GC but they're generally sick of the racism on FWR and the support for the far right.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
My mum is currently doing this with my nephew. She read an article somewhere saying that there's a pattern with neurodiverse (natal) girls aged 12-ish who get bullied at school coming out as trans.
Well firstly, pretty much all neurodiverse kids get bullied at school so we can collapse those two data points into one and make this supposed pattern a lot less convincing straight off the bat.
Secondly, my nephew is not a pattern. He's a person. Coming out has made him happier and more comfortable in himself. More power to him.
I'm not trans, but I do know autistic people who are and it kind of makes sense because a lot of autistic people do feel boxed in by gender roles and expectations. I know I did. I felt I failed as a girl because I didn't wear make-up or like clothes shopping when I was in my teens.
krtek a houby
Against all gods
Can you elaborate a bit?
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