Let me guess, the Landys are at it again?
Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81%
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Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Not them this time, but a fellow traveller.
They're speaking at a conference of anti trans folks tomorrow including
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An awful lot of these feminist lesbians seem to be happy sharing a stage with men who are incredibly opposed to any sort of women's rights and gay rights, just because they're anti trans. Absolutely zero reflection there from any of them about what empowering people who hate them will lead to.
There's a counter protest planned, but importantly they didn't demand it be cancelled because these fucken pricks play victim like you wouldn't believe. Also our Free Speech Union, yes they're literally the Toby Young franchise, sued local councils a few years back when they tried to cancel a different Terf event and won the case - meaning it's hard to prevent these fuckers booking venues.
The local Council are lighting up the buildings nearby in trans flag colours for that day, which is nice.
www.rnz.co.nz
They're speaking at a conference of anti trans folks tomorrow including
- a psycho self appointed bishop who blames earthquakes on the gays and has picketed drag story time and whose followers have been painting over rainbow crossings and hosted an event called Time To Kill recently where he basically ran through a Greatest Hits of British transphobia
Brian Tamaki's Destiny Church notice with 'Time To Kill' tagline 'extremely concerning'
Ads for a church event show a boy carrying a severed head - an apparent reference to David and Goliath - and bearing the tagline "Time to kill".
www.rnz.co.nz
- A "christian" lobbyist for a fash group called Family First who is anti abortion, pro kid hitting, anti-women, anti-gay marriage
- Jen Bilek the antisemitic conspiracy theorist.
An awful lot of these feminist lesbians seem to be happy sharing a stage with men who are incredibly opposed to any sort of women's rights and gay rights, just because they're anti trans. Absolutely zero reflection there from any of them about what empowering people who hate them will lead to.
There's a counter protest planned, but importantly they didn't demand it be cancelled because these fucken pricks play victim like you wouldn't believe. Also our Free Speech Union, yes they're literally the Toby Young franchise, sued local councils a few years back when they tried to cancel a different Terf event and won the case - meaning it's hard to prevent these fuckers booking venues.
The local Council are lighting up the buildings nearby in trans flag colours for that day, which is nice.
Trans-inclusive colours to go up in Wellington on day of controversial event
Wellington's Michael Fowler Centre will be lit up in the trans-inclusive flag colours as a show of support for the rainbow community.
www.rnz.co.nz
InArduisFouette
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a lot of the of hyperbole about 20 year waiting listsis (with the excepion of the South West prior to recommissioning of that service) exactly that.
taking one sample week or month in an FoI and extrapolating that without regard to leave, other absence or recruitment state of the service at that time ... ( so you have a month where one dr was on leave and another had a few days off for sickness meaning only certain assessments / appointments could be done that wekk which didn't trigger key progression points in an individuals care means a delay builds up and there is little or no locum provision , add in the the fact the 2013/ 2018 pathways are so specific aobut clinicla grade and registration of professionals who can make key decisions ( although in soem cases it;s 'any doctor' that can make a decision )
there is a postcode lottery in that th first few cohorts through the new model services in the Northwest, London and EoE get progressed as fast as the service spec allowed as no builtd up of past cases and the new model services at least initially were allowed to reject "Complex cases" ( who remained on the waiting list for one of the existing Consultant-level dr delivered GICs ) some of the Existign GICs are also looking at a system where they stream their patients into a 'new model a like' pathway and a 'complex case' pathway with a different balalnce of appointments between Consultant level drs and other HCPs and Staff grade or Higher trainee dr appointments
InArduisFouette
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hence the comparisons to S28
and also why attacking trans folox is a warm up for dismantling the entire Equality act. ( fortunately the civil service barring the handful of TERFs making lots of noise) and many of the judiciary have noticed this ...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
As written, it's close to meaningless. A consequence of the transphobes they're pitching this to having spent years inventing all sorts of euphemisms and nonsense jargon to try and put a coat of polish on the rancid dog turd that is their actual opinions and beliefs.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
That'll be the advice which they will obliged to read, and consequently It'll be the only gender ideology they will be allowed to teach.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That's quite a lot of wrong to be in a single sentence, even for you.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
and you know this, how?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
no. it's official (see the cass report) that considering trans people to be valid is 'ideology', considering trans people not to be valid isn't.
in the same way that opposing racism is seen as 'marxism' and being indifferent to racism is 'non political'
again, it depends quite what the legislation says, and if it's fuzzy, then what precedents are set by any test case/s. i suspect that most schools / teachers will be keen to avoid becoming a test case so will take a cautious approach. as happened with section 28, even though there were no successful prosecutions under it.
krtek a houby
Against all gods
It's not a choice, it's a gender identity.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I had an acquaintance who was both homophobic and almost a worshipper of Native American culture.
'You wouldn't find them as nancy boys'. On informing him about 'Two spirits' he called me a liar. After he actually checked, he ditched his affection for the Apache, and never spoke to me again.
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In 2004 a study was published which followed 16 genetic males born with cloacal extrophy syndrome which basically means a very undeveloped or virtually non existent penis due to a defect in the pelvis region - so nothing going on with chromosones or potential gamete production like in many intersex conditions.
As was commonplace at the time 14 of these children had sugery as infants and were raised as girls. The study found the following:
This, along with several others studies, as well as observations from clinical practice, is where the theory that humans may possess some kind of innate gender/sex identity came from. Males born with cloacal extrophy syndrome are no longer usually raised as girls. Gender identity, or likely gender identity, is a factor in determining the treatment of intersex children. Most researchers agree there may also be a social factor which helps to shape identity, but there is pretty much universal consensus in the field that at the very least gender identity is significant, that forcing someone into an unwanted gender identity is harmful and that there is probably some kind of innate factor underlying it.
In addition there are millions of trans people, all over the world, often undergoing significant risks and hardships to live in the sex/gender identity that feels right for them. No serious scientist can just handwave away such a huge body of testimonies of lived experience. The existence of so many trans people in itself points to gender identity being a hugely significant factor in a person's sense of themselves and health and well being whatever the underlying causes.
It's true that all of this is contested. So is evolution. But it's not seriously contested within the scientific community, it's contested by a bunch of cranks on the internet who in most cases don't even bother to engage with the evidence and just shout glib slogans, dress up as dinosaurs and scare librarians.
So is this all forbidden knowledge in schools now? Are teachers banned from discussing the huge amount of peer reviewed literature examining the factors which may create or influence sex/gender identities? Who is being ideological here?
As was commonplace at the time 14 of these children had sugery as infants and were raised as girls. The study found the following:
This, along with several others studies, as well as observations from clinical practice, is where the theory that humans may possess some kind of innate gender/sex identity came from. Males born with cloacal extrophy syndrome are no longer usually raised as girls. Gender identity, or likely gender identity, is a factor in determining the treatment of intersex children. Most researchers agree there may also be a social factor which helps to shape identity, but there is pretty much universal consensus in the field that at the very least gender identity is significant, that forcing someone into an unwanted gender identity is harmful and that there is probably some kind of innate factor underlying it.
In addition there are millions of trans people, all over the world, often undergoing significant risks and hardships to live in the sex/gender identity that feels right for them. No serious scientist can just handwave away such a huge body of testimonies of lived experience. The existence of so many trans people in itself points to gender identity being a hugely significant factor in a person's sense of themselves and health and well being whatever the underlying causes.
It's true that all of this is contested. So is evolution. But it's not seriously contested within the scientific community, it's contested by a bunch of cranks on the internet who in most cases don't even bother to engage with the evidence and just shout glib slogans, dress up as dinosaurs and scare librarians.
So is this all forbidden knowledge in schools now? Are teachers banned from discussing the huge amount of peer reviewed literature examining the factors which may create or influence sex/gender identities? Who is being ideological here?
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
The Concept exists, the belief that someone has that they are a third gender exists. Whether its classed as a mental aberration as is believing ones self is a deity has not been decided as far as I know.
Presenting a third gender as existing in many countries is nonsense.
Jennaonthebeach
U75 tolerates fascism
Dickhead.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You must've been devastated.
Sasaferrato
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Inconsolable!
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Russ, if I may offer a suggestion, maybe don't go making confident statements on stuff you haven't the faintest of clues about in a thread full of people who know quite a lot.
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Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
So the conference went ahead.
www.rnz.co.nz
More protesters peaceful outside than inside. Someone dropped a stink bomb mix on the pavement outside and the smell went into the centre.
Apparently the anti trans lot claimed this was someone throwing it over attendees, but neither the cops or security backed that shit up at all.
Hundreds protest outside controversial conference in Wellington
At least 500 people gathered on Saturday for a pro-trans solidarity rally in central Wellington.
www.rnz.co.nz
More protesters peaceful outside than inside. Someone dropped a stink bomb mix on the pavement outside and the smell went into the centre.
Apparently the anti trans lot claimed this was someone throwing it over attendees, but neither the cops or security backed that shit up at all.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I find it fascinating that slightly more people are uncomfortable with kids knowing about non binary identity than they are about trans people - goes to show how much of this is about people's fear of what they don't understand. But encouraging and ultimately unsurprising that yes, most people aren't in a froth about this topic at all, although not as big a majority as I'd like it to be.
For an Orthodox Jew, Chaya really doesn't understand the principle of lashon harah. But then people like her are happy to ignore parts of their religion when it suits them.
I admit I find the idea of being NB a bit hard to get my head around but that doesn't make it wrong.
I admit I find the idea of being NB a bit hard to get my head around but that doesn't make it wrong.
LeytonCatLady
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Amen to that. Not understanding something is fine, but that's precisely why we shouldn't judge.
Cloo
Banana for scale
But we're so SCARED we might see a MAN in a SINGLE SEX WOMEN'S SPACE and it'll be too scary to confront him! He could be violent! We'll be accused of transphobia!
Bullshit. These women don't seem to have been scared. They either knew she was a woman really and enjoyed the bullying, they don't think trans women are that scary after all because they're not really men either, our they're just lying in some other way
Bullshit. These women don't seem to have been scared. They either knew she was a woman really and enjoyed the bullying, they don't think trans women are that scary after all because they're not really men either, our they're just lying in some other way
InArduisFouette
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time after time the victims of toilet policing end up being , typically younger, butch / androgynous presenting cisgender women , oiften ironically the the self same lesbians, that TERFs assert to be protecting from trans 'menace'
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