Tout exposed Mark 'Stone/Kennedy' exposed as undercover police officer
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ska invita
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who said that ddraig?
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
I bet Shippou-Sensei has that manga...
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
DP?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I've just been reading some of what people have been saying about him on facebook. I still don't remember him, although I've been reminded by my ex that we did definitely know him. Apparently, he came across as very affable, made friends easily, etc, but displayed a lower than average (by the standards of political activists) interest in political theory, history etc. That last part seems to be a theme with most but not all of these characters. That this maggot kept it up for five years, through three "romantic" relationships is enough to make your skin crawl.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Reckon there's any truth that they no longer carry out "Long term infiltration deployments"?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
When they are wheeling out a statement like that, it's probably mostly true in a strict sense. ie "long term infiltration deployments" are now being carried out technically under the auspices of some other body rather than the Met's direct command structure. A change in management structure or where the personnel are recruited from at most.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Technical surveillance capabilities will bring so much more intelligence, far cheaper than these dirtbags. But I find it hard to believe they'd give it up
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Statement by the SP on the Carlo Neri infiltration:
Socialist Party :: Police infiltration of the Socialist Party
[ETA: It struck me that I might need to explicitly point out that the bit below is not from the SP statement - which is well worth reading in full via the link above - but my own commentary.]
It's worth noting that the exposure of Neri came not from isolated journalistic endeavour (as Newsnight's “EXCLUSIVE!” banner might lead you to believe), but through the coming together of political activists of a broad range of hues, such as under the banner of COPS [Campaign Opposing Police Surveillance), sharing their experiences, and then doggedly researching.
Whilst the almost unbelievable extent of infiltration may make it seem like there is no point in trying to root out these dogs, nor in trying to effect social change when the forces ranged against us seem so absolute, I feel it is important to point out that aside from Peter Francis, who outed himself, and Jim Boyling (a special case), every single exposed undercover officer was identified through the tenacious efforts of those on whom they had spied. And if anything the spying programmes betray a great weakness, a fear, a failure; and not only that, the shared rage and pain has served only to bring together political activists of so many different hues in a way almost unthinkable before.
Socialist Party :: Police infiltration of the Socialist Party
[ETA: It struck me that I might need to explicitly point out that the bit below is not from the SP statement - which is well worth reading in full via the link above - but my own commentary.]
It's worth noting that the exposure of Neri came not from isolated journalistic endeavour (as Newsnight's “EXCLUSIVE!” banner might lead you to believe), but through the coming together of political activists of a broad range of hues, such as under the banner of COPS [Campaign Opposing Police Surveillance), sharing their experiences, and then doggedly researching.
Whilst the almost unbelievable extent of infiltration may make it seem like there is no point in trying to root out these dogs, nor in trying to effect social change when the forces ranged against us seem so absolute, I feel it is important to point out that aside from Peter Francis, who outed himself, and Jim Boyling (a special case), every single exposed undercover officer was identified through the tenacious efforts of those on whom they had spied. And if anything the spying programmes betray a great weakness, a fear, a failure; and not only that, the shared rage and pain has served only to bring together political activists of so many different hues in a way almost unthinkable before.
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DaveCinzano
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And no, Neri will not be the last SDS or NPOIU spycop to be outed.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
That's what I thought, maybe they get G4S or whoever to do it. Walmart employs Lockheed Martin to spy on labour activists in the US.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I don't think for a moment that the MPS has suddenly appreciated that what it did was wrong. Instead, I suspect that the decision is motivated by the fact that any intelligence product from such deployments doesn't outweigh the costs, both financially and in terms of PR. Particularly given the capabilities of technical collection techniques e.g. recording devices and/or access to email etc. That said, they will come up against surveillance-aware targets who (unlike a bunch of environmentalists and/or the SP, are involved in serious criminality), where UC is pretty much the only option. But the statement leaves enough wriggle room, here; who says what amounts to 'long term', and what's to stop it being done by a partner agency?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The move of significant amounts of organizing and communication to open access forms of social media has made deployments such as those much less important than they were, even in the 90s/00s.
If you add in some short term deployments for specific up-coming events, and have a decent network of paid informers in place consistently, they is very little to no need for long term undercover deployments.
If you add in some short term deployments for specific up-coming events, and have a decent network of paid informers in place consistently, they is very little to no need for long term undercover deployments.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
The Today programme just ran an item on this, with an interview from Kate Wilson, one of Mark Kennedy's relationships.
ska invita
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I may have got this wrong (exact numbers are definitely wrong here) but I heard that the inquiry has led to the broad identification of around 120 undercover infiltrators of which to date only single figures have been named. As in the SP statement, those named have been outed, not disclosed, and whilst the inquiry will be the usual whitewash, and it won't officially name the others, it may at least provide the opportunity for more clues to arise to discover the identities of some of the other 100+ others. Is my understanding of it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
moscow gold
nogojones
spelling is overrated
It says the Met doesn't, That leaves a whole host of other options available to them
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DaveCinzano
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Let's not forget that the SP/ML & YRE were known to be targets of the SDS since Peter Francis first came forward in early 2010. Examination of Mark Jenner's undercover tour show that he also took in a range of SP-linked targets.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
That's what the woman on the Today programme said as well.
They really should be disclosed. I find it quite disturbing to think, for example, that there are women out there whose partners ran off, leaving them with a fatherless child, and they don't know that said partner was an undercover police officer.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Without seeing the full statement from the Met it is difficult to fully parse it, but taking Newsnight's paraphrasing in good faith, the statement does not preclude:
- Short term* infiltration deployments against protest groups (or anyone else) by the Met or anyone else;
- Long term infiltration deployments against protest groups (or anyone else) by units outside of the Met;
- Long term infiltration deployments against targets other than 'protest groups' (including but not limited to political parties, informal networks, interest or sectional groups not predominantly focused on 'protest' activity, but instead on lobbying, media work, education, and so on) by the Met or anyone else
Etc.
Then there are the various ways of considering the phrase 'infiltration deployment' - a formulation which lends itself to an intentionally narrow definition (eg might some undercover operations not be considered 'infiltration deployments', or some infiltrations by UCOs likewise be excluded, etc).
*And obviously without defining the parameters of 'long term', a meaningless phrase.
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
That is certainly the possible take home message an average person might reasonably, under a broad range of conditions, be expected to consider, notwithstanding any conclusive evidence to the contrary, yes
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh either it's a lie or it's bollocks but in either case it cannot be believed.
hot air baboon
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Worth mentioning that Theresa May is considering extending the remit of the Pitchford Inquiry beyond England & Wales:
Ministers summit on undercover police probing scandal to include Scots police
[The article above extensively uses files shared via the Special Branch Files Project website. SBF is a joint project of the URG and others, which collects together documents that were previously released under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (typically in the early days of FOIA, in hard copy to individual journalists) which the police have subsequently refused to release to others, as well as miscellaneous official reports, court documents, etc.]
As Police Spies Out Of Lives (a group representing the interests of some of those women directly targeted by undercover officers), Campaign Opposing Police Surveillance (a broader coalition of groups and individuals spied upon, plus their lawyers and supporters), Undercover Research Group and countless others have pointed out, the SDS and NPOIU spy programmes operated extensively beyond the borders of England and Wales, including in Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, France, Germany, Iceland, the United States, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Spain, Netherlands, Greece, Thailand, Viet Nam, Belgium and many others...
Ministers summit on undercover police probing scandal to include Scots police
[The article above extensively uses files shared via the Special Branch Files Project website. SBF is a joint project of the URG and others, which collects together documents that were previously released under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (typically in the early days of FOIA, in hard copy to individual journalists) which the police have subsequently refused to release to others, as well as miscellaneous official reports, court documents, etc.]
As Police Spies Out Of Lives (a group representing the interests of some of those women directly targeted by undercover officers), Campaign Opposing Police Surveillance (a broader coalition of groups and individuals spied upon, plus their lawyers and supporters), Undercover Research Group and countless others have pointed out, the SDS and NPOIU spy programmes operated extensively beyond the borders of England and Wales, including in Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, France, Germany, Iceland, the United States, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Spain, Netherlands, Greece, Thailand, Viet Nam, Belgium and many others...
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