Tout exposed Mark 'Stone/Kennedy' exposed as undercover police officer

[Pickman's model]

Id have thought Smash Edo would be high up the list - but with 460 groups infiltrated the question is who HASNT been infiltrated

the tufty club

 

[ska invita]

tufty79 ?

 

[newbie]

there's a drama based on kennedy on radio 4 at 2:15 today

 

[dylanredefined]

Id have thought Smash Edo would be high up the list - but with 460 groups infiltrated the question is who HASNT been infiltrated

Is that a badge of pride or of shame if your group is not on the list?

 

[Pickman's model]

tufty79 ?

 

[treelover]

Police facing call to publish list of their undercover spies


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Police have admitted that at least 460 political groups have been infiltrated since 1968, but have not made public a list.

The letter from the 133 individuals points out that there are “hundreds of organisations who still have no idea that they were spied upon. This means the overwhelming majority of individuals and organisations targeted since 1968 have had no opportunity to consider the possible consequences of the actions of undercover officers on their work and cannot currently participate as witnesses.”

34 Clandestine Insurgent Rebel Clown Army

Dangerous folk, not.

 

[Dogsauce]

Bet the Labour Party is on the list. The rumour is they had a guy called Tony operating in the upper echelons of the party for a couple of decades.

 

[ska invita]

Bet the Labour Party is on the list. The rumour is they had a guy called Tony operating in the upper echelons of the party for a couple of decades.

Not undercover - he turned out be a buy to let landlord

 

[likesfish]

The seditious bastards

well if you advertise a huge demo and then arnt prepared to talk to the police.
the police do have a duty to keep the roads open your right to protest doesnt mean you have a right to do what the fuck you like and sod everyone else

 

[SpookyFrank]

well if you advertise a huge demo and then arnt prepared to talk to the police.
the police do have a duty to keep the roads open your right to protest doesnt mean you have a right to do what the fuck you like and sod everyone else

Read the thread. The police have been using unconscionable tactics to sabotage peaceful protest movments in this country for decades. Nobody has a right to be trusted when they repeatedly violate both trust and basic decency.

 

[friedaweed]

there's a drama based on kennedy on radio 4 at 2:15 today

Listened to that it was alright

 

[likesfish]

Read the thread. The police have been using unconscionable tactics to sabotage peaceful protest movments in this country for decades. Nobody has a right to be trusted when they repeatedly violate both trust and basic decency.

which is completely unacceptable.
So is wanting to hold a demo on public roads and not inform anyone of what your planning its a dim tactic.

 

[SpookyFrank]

which is completely unacceptable.
So is wanting to hold a demo on public roads and not inform anyone of what your planning its a dim tactic.

The situation you described was a publically advertised mass demonstration, so surely you're telling everyone what you're planning?

Which is different from asking for permission of course. Even if the police had some notional right to grant or withold permission for people to engage in lawful activity, they would have long since forfeited it by virtue of their own despicable behaviour.

 

[Kaka Tim]

which is completely unacceptable.
So is wanting to hold a demo on public roads and not inform anyone of what your planning its a dim tactic.

So the potential for some temporary, minor disruption to traffic is comparable to the most extreme level possible of state backed violation of people's privacy?

This lot didn't ask police permission for their demo - completely unacceptable!

 

[Wilf]

Clandestine Insurgent Rebel Clown Army

Coppers Who I Have Sympathy For - a Short Series:

#1 Filth who had to don the grease paint and arse about at demos using a squeaky voice

 

[Clint Iguana]

Radio 4 have dramatised the unmasking of Mark Kennedy
Deep Swimmer, Drama - BBC Radio 4

 

[Wilf]

(derail ends)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Coppers Who I Have Sympathy For - a Short Series:

#1 Filth who had to don the grease paint and arse about at demos using a squeaky voice

ANY fucker got up in clown gear - the creepiest fucking "fancy dress" in existence - doesn't deserve sympathy, they deserve a shoeing!!!

 

[Wilf]

ANY fucker got up in clown gear - the creepiest fucking "fancy dress" in existence - doesn't deserve sympathy, they deserve a shoeing!!!

You get the full horror of the Clown Army throughout that video. But there's a bit at 2:30 where they go into a 'huddle' to have a discussion about whether they should carry on talking to the coppers in high pitched voices or not. The fucking state of 'em!

 

[LDC]

... using unconscionable tactics to sabotage peaceful protest movments in this country for decades...

A tricky and somewhat disingenuous line of argument to go down imo.

 

[Mation]

A tricky and somewhat disingenuous line of argument to go down imo.

Why? What are you equating?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Why? What are you equating?

Apples and oranges by the sound of it

 

[likesfish]

The situation you described was a publically advertised mass demonstration, so surely you're telling everyone what you're planning?

Which is different from asking for permission of course. Even if the police had some notional right to grant or withold permission for people to engage in lawful activity, they would have long since forfeited it.

because chucking paint all over an Army surplus store is completely lawful

 

[SpookyFrank]

because chucking paint all over an Army surplus store is completely lawful

a) What are you on about?

b) I don't care, just go away.

 

[Red Sky]

because chucking paint all over an Army surplus store is completely lawful

It was an an Army Recruitment centre iirc, a slightly more politically valid target perhaps.

 

[Red Sky]

A few of those organisations might have raised legit concerns smash edo was into throwing stones and not cooperating with the police for example

At the time that Smash EDO was infiltrated by 'Marco Jacobs'- for over a year, there had been no 'mass demos'.

What there had been was an attempt to gain an injunction under the Protection from Harassment that made protesting outside the factory illegal. The police advised the arms manufacturer to seek such an injunction after they had been used successfully to crack down on animal rights protesters. Information gained by the undercover was probably channelled to the offices of Timothy Lawson Cruttenden, the solicitor who made millions out of the PHA injunctions and enjoyed a very close relationship with NETCU.

 

[LDC]

Apples and oranges by the sound of it

No. So, what does 'peaceful protest movement' mean? Do you actually mean non-violent? Is that how they would have described themselves ideologically or strategically (because that wasn't the case for many of them), or are you just describing them as that for some other reason?

And, as well as that being not true for some of the groups infiltrated, it does tend to suggest that it might be OK for the cops to do it to groups that were violent or whose actions resulted in some violence. Classic 'good' protester, 'bad' protester rubbish.

One of the depressing things for me about this whole saga is the amount of 'radicals' who seems to have got a bit confused about the role of the cops and their infiltration and have often ended up towing some odd liberal-type line about how it was a subversion of democracy and just not needed as all the groups were really well-meaning and lovely actually...

 

[LDC]

That BBC play was shit of course. And don't even get me started on the fucking clowns...

 

[DotCommunist]

Is that a badge of pride or of shame if your group is not on the list?

it seems they were spying on tuck shops and the WI by this point so I'd say shame. I mean you could put it down to organizational discipline and a keen nose for these wronguns. That would be the comforting lie I told myself rather than being ranked under the clown insurgency as a threat to her majesties gov

 

[likesfish]

It was an an Army Recruitment centre iirc, a slightly more politically valid target perhaps.

oh dear the argus reach a new low