Is that not, at least in part, an inevitable consequence of them being given a duty to apply the law impartially?
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That's the point - there are only a limited number of forms that a corporate entity can have. I suspect they decided to do it when they needed to take on premises or employ people for the first time and so it became way more likely that there would one day be legal proceedings (in an Employment Tribunal if nowhere else).
What's the FDA? The Food and Drug Administration? That's a government agency.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Saw this fairly recently on the news- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...-city-bar-that-sold-cocaine-with-cocktails.do
The fact is that they ARE independent of the police. There may well be issues about that ... but the fact is that they are independent and, more importantly, it is a matter for government, not the police that they are as they are and not something else.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Noooo! The First Division Association, ther senior civil servants union. closest comparison I could find. rtho' equally, any senior professional body such as RCS etc
Oh right - I'd not realised they'd acronymned themselves!!!
I don't know how unions are structured. It would not surprise me to find out that there was some sort of incorporated entity behind them that acts as the actual employer of staff, tenant or owner of premises or whatever. But there may be some special structure that unions have available to them.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Yes, It may well be (though I don't think you do always apply the law impartially), and that's where the real problem with the police lies IMO. Protesters, activists, strike pickets etc are not common criminals; they are people who care deeply about the issues in question, and are in their minds expressing active citizenship as it should be addressed, to defend their communities, or working rights, or simply to make the world a better place. That's a world away from yer average mugger, or even rioter.
FAR too often - and I have lost count of the number of times I have seen this with my own eyes - the whole approach of the police to such politically-charged situations is to act as if the protesters (or whatever) are criminals, and The Enemy. That, I would say, isn the root cause of all trouble I have seen on demoes, pickets etc; that and the wild over-reaction it seems to lead the police to take (and no, I'm not saying us protesters are whiter than white. We have our idiots.)
I have agreed with that many times before. There have undoubtedly been occasions when those intent on serious crime and disorder have taken advantage of lawful protest but the police definitely did get into the mindset where they strated to treat all protestors as if they were a potential serious threat. That has been acknowledged in Denis O'Connor's report on G20 and there is no a distinct emphasis on them facilitating lawful protest wherever they can (I have seen it at first hand, having been involved with the Anti-Pope protest outside St Mary's College in Twickenham when he visited recently). I would suggest that the problem started with the activities of the "idiots" you acknowledge exist within protest movements (and, more importantly, with the out and out thugs and criminals wh use protest as a cover for simple crime -smashing the windows of Macdonalds may be an act of protest ... but carrying aways armfuls of consumer goodies from department stores when there is still protesting to be done???) who sort of "spoilt it for us all".
Hopefully we are now back a lot closewr to where we were twenty or more years ago, where police reacted to problems rather than acting excessively robustly in anticipation of them (though there will remain a role for preventative tactics where there is clear intelligence or other grounds to anticipate serious problems - e.g. banning EDL marches in Bradford).
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No one believes that the IPCC nor the CPS are independent of the police. Apart from apologists for police murderers like yourself. When they were set up (the IPCC) Liberty objected strongly to the lack of any statutory requirement for the IPCC to be independent of the police. The murders of both Charles de Mendez and Ian Tomlinson totally destroyed any credibility that either organisation had and any claim to be independent of the police. http://tiny.cc/4z3vp
Change it then - the police aren't stopping you.
The simple point that you are apparently incapable of grasping is that whatever the faults of the IPCC and the CPS, they are not the fault of the police because the police didn't invent them, government did. If you've got a problem slag off the relevant target, don;t just pander to your prejudices by blaming the polioce for something that is not their responsibility and which is entirely beyond their ability to change.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They are all pigs eating from the same trough. Indistinguishable.
No there is a point here, really though I would have thought ACPO had more of an influence than CPS etc in this area of tackling 'domestic extremism'. It’s the large quasi-state police bodies that influence these things.
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed analysis. I am sure everyone is very grateful for your insight.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed analysis. I am sure everyone is very grateful for your insight.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed analysis. I am sure everyone is very grateful for your insight.
You could use this as your general fuck off euphemism Like Private Eye with Ugandan discussions.
Look, it's quite simple for anyone who hasn't grasped it yet.
The police as an entity and the vast majority of serving coppers hate any vaguely leftish or activisty type person, they think we're all freaks, weirdos, and commie scum. As well as being actually paid to screw us, they generally don't have any ethical qualms about doing so - because they think we're cunts.
In return we think they're cunts.
We have no need to pretend to try and understand each other's motives.
Let's just be upfront about it. We hate you, you hate us, and furthemore you're sometimes employed to spy on us and fuck us up.
The police as an entity and the vast majority of serving coppers hate any vaguely leftish or activisty type person, they think we're all freaks, weirdos, and commie scum. As well as being actually paid to screw us, they generally don't have any ethical qualms about doing so - because they think we're cunts.
In return we think they're cunts.
We have no need to pretend to try and understand each other's motives.
Let's just be upfront about it. We hate you, you hate us, and furthemore you're sometimes employed to spy on us and fuck us up.
Right about now NWA court is in full effect.
Judge Dre presiding in the case of NWA versus the police department.
Prosecuting attourneys are MC Ren Ice Cube and Eazy muthafuckin E.
Order order order. Ice Cube take the muthafuckin stand.
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothin but the truth so help your black ass?
Why don't you tell everybody what the fuck you gotta say?
Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics
You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water
I don't know if they fags or what
Search a nigga down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop
Ice Cube will swarm
On any muthafucka in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young nigga on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say
Fuck the police (4X)
M. C. Ren, will you please give your testimony to the jury about this fucked up incident.>
Fuck tha police and Ren said it with authority
because the niggaz on the street is a majority.
A gang, is with whoever I'm stepping
and the motherfuckin' weapon
is kept in a stash box, for the so-called law
wishin' Ren was a nigga that they never saw
Lights start flashin behind me
But they're scared of a nigga so they mace me to blind me
But that shit don't work, I just laugh
Because it gives em a hint not to step in my path
To the police I'm sayin fuck you punk
Readin my rights and shit, it's all junk
Pullin out a silly club, so you stand
With a fake assed badge and a gun in your hand
But take off the gun so you can see what's up
And we'll go at it punk, I'ma fuck you up
Make ya think I'm a kick your ass
But drop your gat, and Ren's gonna blast
I'm sneaky as fuck when it comes to crime
But I'm a smoke em now, and not next time
Smoke any muthafucka that sweats me
Or any assho that threatens me
I'm a sniper with a hell of a scope
Takin out a cop or two, they can't cope with me
The muthafuckin villian that's mad
With potential to get bad as fuck
So I'm a turn it around
Put in my clip, yo, and this is the sound
Ya, somethin like that, but it all depends on the size of the gat
Takin out a police would make my day
But a nigga like Ren don't give a fuck to say
Fuck the police (4X)
Police, open now. We have a warrant for Eazy-E's arrest.
Get down and put your hands up where I can see em.
Just shut the fuck up and get your muthafuckin ass on the floor.
[huh?]>
and tell the jury how you feel abou this bullshit.>
I'm tired of the muthafuckin jackin
Sweatin my gang while I'm chillin in the shackin
Shining tha light in my face, and for what
Maybe it's because I kick so much butt
I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
On a stupid assed nigga when I'm playin with the trigga
Of any Uzi or an AK
Cuz the police always got somethin stupid to say
They put up my picture with silence
Cuz my identity by itself causes violence
The E with the criminal behavior
Yeah, I'm a gansta, but still I got flavor
Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got?
A sucka in a uniform waitin to get shot,
By me, or another nigga.
and with a gat it don't matter if he's smarter or bigger
[MC Ren: Sidle him, kid, he's from the old school, fool]
And as you all know, E's here to rule
Whenever I'm rollin, keep lookin in the mirror
And there's no cue, yo, so I can hear a
Dumb muthafucka with a gun
And if I'm rollin off the 8, he'll be tha one
That I take out, and then get away
And while I'm drivin off laughin
This is what I'll say
Fuck the police (4X)
The jury has found you guilty of bein a redneck,
whitebread, chickenshit muthafucka.
Wait, that's a lie. That's a goddamn lie.
I want justice! I want justice!
Fuck you, you black muthafucka!>
Fuck the police (3X)
Judge Dre presiding in the case of NWA versus the police department.
Prosecuting attourneys are MC Ren Ice Cube and Eazy muthafuckin E.
Order order order. Ice Cube take the muthafuckin stand.
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothin but the truth so help your black ass?
Why don't you tell everybody what the fuck you gotta say?
Fuck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
Fuckin with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every nigga is sellin narcotics
You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water
I don't know if they fags or what
Search a nigga down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop
Ice Cube will swarm
On any muthafucka in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young nigga on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say
Fuck the police (4X)
M. C. Ren, will you please give your testimony to the jury about this fucked up incident.>
Fuck tha police and Ren said it with authority
because the niggaz on the street is a majority.
A gang, is with whoever I'm stepping
and the motherfuckin' weapon
is kept in a stash box, for the so-called law
wishin' Ren was a nigga that they never saw
Lights start flashin behind me
But they're scared of a nigga so they mace me to blind me
But that shit don't work, I just laugh
Because it gives em a hint not to step in my path
To the police I'm sayin fuck you punk
Readin my rights and shit, it's all junk
Pullin out a silly club, so you stand
With a fake assed badge and a gun in your hand
But take off the gun so you can see what's up
And we'll go at it punk, I'ma fuck you up
Make ya think I'm a kick your ass
But drop your gat, and Ren's gonna blast
I'm sneaky as fuck when it comes to crime
But I'm a smoke em now, and not next time
Smoke any muthafucka that sweats me
Or any assho that threatens me
I'm a sniper with a hell of a scope
Takin out a cop or two, they can't cope with me
The muthafuckin villian that's mad
With potential to get bad as fuck
So I'm a turn it around
Put in my clip, yo, and this is the sound
Ya, somethin like that, but it all depends on the size of the gat
Takin out a police would make my day
But a nigga like Ren don't give a fuck to say
Fuck the police (4X)
Police, open now. We have a warrant for Eazy-E's arrest.
Get down and put your hands up where I can see em.
Just shut the fuck up and get your muthafuckin ass on the floor.
[huh?]>
and tell the jury how you feel abou this bullshit.>
I'm tired of the muthafuckin jackin
Sweatin my gang while I'm chillin in the shackin
Shining tha light in my face, and for what
Maybe it's because I kick so much butt
I kick ass, or maybe cuz I blast
On a stupid assed nigga when I'm playin with the trigga
Of any Uzi or an AK
Cuz the police always got somethin stupid to say
They put up my picture with silence
Cuz my identity by itself causes violence
The E with the criminal behavior
Yeah, I'm a gansta, but still I got flavor
Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got?
A sucka in a uniform waitin to get shot,
By me, or another nigga.
and with a gat it don't matter if he's smarter or bigger
[MC Ren: Sidle him, kid, he's from the old school, fool]
And as you all know, E's here to rule
Whenever I'm rollin, keep lookin in the mirror
And there's no cue, yo, so I can hear a
Dumb muthafucka with a gun
And if I'm rollin off the 8, he'll be tha one
That I take out, and then get away
And while I'm drivin off laughin
This is what I'll say
Fuck the police (4X)
The jury has found you guilty of bein a redneck,
whitebread, chickenshit muthafucka.
Wait, that's a lie. That's a goddamn lie.
I want justice! I want justice!
Fuck you, you black muthafucka!>
Fuck the police (3X)
You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.
I gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused.
Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used.
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this
maze?
Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend.
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
And everything's done under the sun,
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.
Who was born in a house full of pain.
Who was trained not to spit in the fan.
Who was told what to do by the man.
Who was broken by trained personnel.
Who was fitted with collar and chain.
Who was given a pat on the back.
Who was breaking away from the pack.
Who was only a stranger at home.
Who was ground down in the end.
Who was found dead on the phone.
Who was dragged down by the stone.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.
I gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused.
Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used.
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this
maze?
Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend.
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
And everything's done under the sun,
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.
Who was born in a house full of pain.
Who was trained not to spit in the fan.
Who was told what to do by the man.
Who was broken by trained personnel.
Who was fitted with collar and chain.
Who was given a pat on the back.
Who was breaking away from the pack.
Who was only a stranger at home.
Who was ground down in the end.
Who was found dead on the phone.
Who was dragged down by the stone.
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Irish Visits...
Touts visits to Ireland (from Indy.ie)
Touts visits to Ireland (from Indy.ie)
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I would presume building his 'cred' and networks...
Im wondering though the legal implications of a British poliice officer operating within Ireland?
I knew i recognised the fecker from somewhere....
Im wondering though the legal implications of a British poliice officer operating within Ireland?
I knew i recognised the fecker from somewhere....
If the aim of the lefty activist types is to bring about political change and create a new society then they have to engage with the police. Otherwise you are simply setting yourself up in antithesis.
I think you underestimate also how many police take pride in their neutrality with regards to enforcing the law of the land impartially. The patience and professionalism of police in this country is often startling when compared with many other countries. When things go wrong it’s often the exception rather than the norm.
I speak as someone who has been on the receiving end of police brutality when things do go wrong, so don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they are all perfect by any means.
I hate Libdems far more than I do the police.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm sure i speak for us all when i say that in your case i suspect provocation on your part.
I suspect you hate a lot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's a dirty job but someone's got to do it
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