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Tory Leadership contest 2022

Whether Cat Fan felt bullied I think it's time we all moved on.

Cat Fan felt bullied. There’s no “whether” about it.

Honestly, I thought you were one of the good guys, but you basically just told a female member of this forum that her concerns are worthless and she ought to get over them.

That makes you a weasel as well.

Weasal cards notwithstanding, the evidence of the weighty matters have been referred to the moderating board direct that you/your next of kin must present a counter report by the 18th.

I don’t know or care what you’re trying to say there. Something-something-referred-to-some-geek-who-holds-a-sword-above-my-head. Wowsers.
 
Michael Gove certainly was a mistake.


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When I click that link, it just says “Spanner Banned”, with no links to their posts.

Send me a proper link. I’m not doing your research for you.

Re: bullying. You know who and what you are. Cat Fan felt bullied.



You played the weasel card of telling the accuser to find the evidence. That’s all anyone needs to know about your character.



Oh. Is your mate https://www.urban75.net/forums/members/krtek-a-houby.2838/ on an “Enforced Holiday for bullying?


Maybe Krtek’s words are not as …weighty… as they once were. I’m certainly not going to apologise to an ex-member who was actually banned for bullying or his best mate whose only tactic is to deflect and insult.

Maybe getting people banned isn’t a “habit” of yours despite the implied threat that you could click your fingers and make it happen. If you can: do. If you can’t: shush.
I have told you two ways to see Spanner's posts and you're too fucking stupid to use either of them. Sadly I can only explain things to you, I can't understand them for you. And if you're going to accuse me of bullying it's really up to you to demonstrate that whereas all you've done thus far is to say I'm a poster on a board where someone's felt uncomfortable. I've asked you to put up and now it's time for you to shut up.
 
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Gordon Brown has just shown Starmer and Labour: a) how to formulate a set of thought out and strategic demands and b) how to make political capital out of them - putting Johnson, Truss and Sunak on the spot.

Starmer should adopt these ideas immediately and thank Brown for drafting out something that seems beyond the ken of the current clowns of what passes for a Labour Party

 
In my mind Sunak Starmer and Brown are the same people, who could easily inhabit the same political party - soft social democratic types each inclined to invoke Keynes if circumstance require. The current scenario of a collapsing global capitalism might be dealt with by such a methodological approach, but equally the alternative (well trodden) route of catastrophic world war begins to cast its dark shadow. Arch opportunist Truss will likely emerge holding reins, but i dont imagine she could be a long termer. Fuckin bleak for all those bumping along the bottom whatever happens. 🙁

So i'm pretty pessimistic about prospects, but my heart still tells me to be hopeful for the necessary shift towards a much more equal society. We have to have faith that working people can begin to combine and assert after such a long slumber ('shake your chains to earth like dew, which in sleep hath fallen on you')?
 
In my mind Sunak Starmer and Brown are the same people, who could easily inhabit the same political party - soft social democratic types each inclined to invoke Keynes if circumstance require. The current scenario of a collapsing global capitalism might be dealt with by such a methodological approach, but equally the alternative (well trodden) route of catastrophic world war begins to cast its dark shadow. Arch opportunist Truss will likely emerge holding reins, but i dont imagine she could be a long termer. Fuckin bleak for all those bumping along the bottom whatever happens. 🙁

No way on earth is Sunak a soft social democratic type. Don't be fooled.
 
In my mind Sunak Starmer and Brown are the same people, who could easily inhabit the same political party - soft social democratic types each inclined to invoke Keynes if circumstance require. The current scenario of a collapsing global capitalism might be dealt with by such a methodological approach, but equally the alternative (well trodden) route of catastrophic world war begins to cast its dark shadow. Arch opportunist Truss will likely emerge holding reins, but i dont imagine she could be a long termer. Fuckin bleak for all those bumping along the bottom whatever happens. 🙁

So i'm pretty pessimistic about prospects, but my heart still tells me to be hopeful for the necessary shift towards a much more equal society. We have to have faith that working people can begin to combine and assert after such a long slumber ('shake your chains to earth like dew, which in sleep hath fallen on you')?

Yeah, as someone else had said Sunak is no social democrat. He is a fairly classical smash up the state Tory. Albeit one with a better political antenna than the insurgent right who are gradually realizing how jarring their 'return to neo-liberal first principles' approach currently embodied in Truss' campaign offer of corporation tax cuts, reversal of NICS and stopping green levies is. Starmer and Brown are, but social democrats who have accepted the price to be paid is to leave the markets alone.

Purely on that basis a return of Keynesian economics would be a seismic moment. It would represent a break from the past 45 years and a popular repudiation of the neo-libs and the warped social democrats it has subsequently produced who accept that 'there is no alternative to the market'. The gathering debate about the need for utilities like gas, electric and water to be in public ownership not only shows how a double movement effect of McDonnell's economic plan published 5 years ago is taking place but is one largely gathering speed due to pressure from below.
 
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No way on earth is Sunak a soft social democratic type. Don't be fooled.
OK. my clumsily made point wasn't clear. i was attempting to suggest that Brown/Starmer/Truss and Sunak's main job relates to protecting the profit system. Sunak introduced furlough to prevent economic collapse just as Brown's 2008 'quantitative easing' gifted the banks with hundreds of billions of public money. i see no essential difference between the approach each used in these two different emergency circumstances. Of course i accept that in ordinary conditions Labour and Tory have a different ideological emphasis. But when it comes to the stick and lift, when it really matters, Tory Party adherents like cunt Sunak have been quite capable of being Keynesians, and fuckers like Brown can piss over working class people to preserve the Bankers interests above all else - and will likely do so again. When the British state is threatened, politically or economically, both capitalist Labour and capitalist Conservatives are pretty well indistinguishable from one another. Fuck em both.
 
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