Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[treelover]

Ref to last bit would be a bit like the EU love in anti Brexit march then , that was a piss poor turnout.
The support for Robinson has shocked me looking at some sites the last week or so.
One of my relatives writes blogs and she has had a torrent of abuse for saying things about Robinson
She is even thinking of packing it in.
The police must be loving all these marches with the overtime and the rewards.

On this thread i see a list of shame for him Mortgage fraud etc and "football violence" ???. i had never heard of that one
Never knew he was a football fan , was wondering if this was at a enger-land game

Plenty of people on here have pointed out how over the years this has been building up, the left seems to be like the proverbial rabbit in the cars headlights, groups like SUTR are absolutely not the organisations to be at the front of challenging it, it needs a class based attack. TR and his ideas are being mainstreamed, i am aware of progressive folk who now seem to share some of them, jokes and meme's and satire only get you so far.

 

[Red Sky]

Absolutely, it won't be taken up though by the fronts that seem to dominate left causes now, SUTR, etc.

Set your own front up then.

 

[andysays]

In this case, yes, people should listen to professionals.

Ignorance of how and why the legal system acts as it does is being used to fan the flames of the idea that Robinson is the victim of some kind of conspiracy rather than a man being arrested for the thing he was told he would be arrested for if attempting it again. And far better they have it explained by people qualified in law than some random punter like me, for example.

It's not at all the same thing as telling people they voted for the 'wrong party' which is much more subjective

What's missing from your answer is any idea of WHY people (only some people of course) are so pissed off with experts/professionals/those who know better that they are rejecting what they say (not just about contempt of court but much more widely) and listening to the simplistic narrative of a twat like Tommy fucking Robinson.

 

[Cloo]

Perfectly good point! People don't seem to have good much good out of them, do they?

 

[andysays]

Plenty of people on here have pointed out how over the years this has been building up, the left seems to be like the proverbial rabbit in the cars headlights, groups like SUTR are absolutely not the organisations to be at the front of challenging it, it needs a class based attack. TR and his ideas are being mainstreamed, i am aware of progressive folk who now seem to share some of them, jokes and meme's and satire only get you so far.

Jokes and memes and satire get you nowhere in this situation, they're actually part of the problem.

 

[Pickman's model]

Plenty of people on here have pointed out how over the years this has been building up, the left seems to be like the proverbial rabbit in the cars headlights, groups like SUTR are absolutely not the organisations to be at the front of challenging it, it needs a class based attack. TR and his ideas are being mainstreamed, i am aware of progressive folk who now seem to share some of them, jokes and meme's and satire only get you so far.

it's disappointing that your time away hasn't seen you develop any greater political nous.

 

[existentialist]

Set your own front up then.

I think he's more about hand wringing than action.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think he's more about hand wringing than action.

effete and ineffectual hand wringing. and anyway he'd be four square behind theresa may if only she wasn't so vile to people on benefits.

 

[treelover]

I think he's more about hand wringing than action.

ah, so the bullying that has made many posters who made this site leave, especially the poison that eminates from Pickmans.,


You know fuck all about me, and what i do, but i don't attack individuals, only ideas and organisations, i suggest you do the same,

can't believe the personal stuff is happening already.

 

[treelover]

it's disappointing that your time away hasn't seen you develop any greater political nous.

er, you have just liked andysays post, which partly agrees with me.

 

[Pickman's model]

er, you have just liked andysays post, which partly agrees with me.

i like lots of posts, it doesn't mean i necessarily agree with the content.

 

[existentialist]

ah, so the bullying that has made many posters who made this site leave, especially the poison that eminates from Pickmans.,


You know fuck all about me, and what i do, but i don't attack individuals, only ideas and organisations, i suggest you do the same,

can't believe the personal stuff is happening already.

All I know about you is what you post on here.

And all you post on here is moaning and complaining about how nobody's doing what you think should be done.

So what you choose to interpret as bullying is far more likely to be people being irritated by your holier than thou posturing, and endless implying that you are somehow better than everyone else.

 

[andysays]

i like lots of posts, it doesn't mean i necessarily agree with the content.

But obviously you agree with all of MY posts, right?

 

[8ball]

i like lots of posts, it doesn't mean i necessarily agree with the content.

Yeah, think we went through the many reasons people click 'like' on a thread once.

Mine include:

Agreement
Argument I hadn't seen before
Liking cut of jib
Being persuaded of something
Audacity
Bizarre unprovoked rant
Resurrection of cross-thread beef from more than 5 years ago

 

[Pickman's model]

But obviously you agree with all of MY posts, right?

i agree with you to some extent more often than not

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, think we went through the many reasons people click 'like' on a thread once.

Mine include:

Agreement
Argument I hadn't seen before
Liking cut of jib
Being persuaded of something
Audacity
Bizarre unprovoked rant
Resurrection of cross-thread beef from more than 5 years ago

not to mention 'carry on slagging them off and you'll get more likes'.

 

[andysays]

i agree with you to some extent more often than not

I suppose that will have to do for now

 

[redsquirrel]

In this case, yes, people should listen to professionals.

Ignorance of how and why the legal system acts as it does is being used to fan the flames of the idea that Robinson is the victim of some kind of conspiracy rather than a man being arrested for the thing he was told he would be arrested for if attempting it again. And far better they have it explained by people qualified in law than some random punter like me, for example.

And of course "how the law works" is totally objective and apolitical. This is exactly the attitude that Athos was criticising.

BTW what about non-professionals talking about schools, for instance pushing grammar schools (on the basis of fallacious information), is that allowed? Or should such people shut up?

 

[DexterTCN]

Samantha Markle demands release of Tommy Robinson

 

[Pickman's model]

Samantha Markle demands release of Tommy Robinson

how long can it be before the duchess of sussex asks her mother-in-law for a pardon?

 

[not-bono-ever]

this country is a wretched shithole.

 

[Pickman's model]

this country is a wretched shithole.

a stinking midden even

 

[krtek a houby]

Samantha Markle demands release of Tommy Robinson

Another family member who didn't get a wedding invite, no doubt

 

[Whagwan]

 

[The39thStep]

Samantha Markle demands release of Tommy Robinson

Samantha Markle has proved a controversial sibling for the newest member of the British Royal family.

She previously cast doubt on her half sister's motivations for charity work, and called on the Royal family to "step up to the plate" and help Meghan's bankrupt father.

American calls for state intervention to help the needy

 

[ddraig]

Plenty of people on here have pointed out how over the years this has been building up, the left seems to be like the proverbial rabbit in the cars headlights, groups like SUTR are absolutely not the organisations to be at the front of challenging it, it needs a class based attack. TR and his ideas are being mainstreamed, i am aware of progressive folk who now seem to share some of them, jokes and meme's and satire only get you so far.

look who's back to point the finger!! sigh

 

[billbond]

Another march going on in support of TR in Leeds this afternoon
Hundreds marching in to the town center and ending in a rally outside the main court.
A few films of the meet online
Seems to be something else arranged for the week end on the same lines.

 

[likesfish]

The far right give simple solutions
The left don't
‘We don’t exist to them, do we?’: why working-class people voted for Brexit
theres Basically a massive amount of people who no longer believe the system even gives a shit about them so fuck em we will do something that will piss "them" off regardless of the results

 

[chilango]

Drove past a "Pray for Tommy Robinson" billboard in some field off the M40 earlier

 

[hot air baboon]

are they including mosques in that ?