Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
There is truth in the article despite where it's coming from. Can anybody really deny that the authorities all but ignored what was going on, on the unspoken assumption that the lives of 'white trash' girls from the lower end of the working class didn't really matter if it meant a disruption in supposed community cohesion? And that the left, in the main, would have been content to do likewise for precisely the same reasons?
It's quite telling that Yaxley-Lennon and co. still cause the left far more agitation than the infinitely more deadly Islamist fanatics and sexual abuse rings.
It's quite telling that Yaxley-Lennon and co. still cause the left far more agitation than the infinitely more deadly Islamist fanatics and sexual abuse rings.
Maybe he means this bit.
"The problem — as I said in 2015 — is that any challenge Robinson presents is all a secondary issue. The primary issue is that for years the British state allowed gangs of men to rape thousands of young girls across Britain. For years the police, politicians, Crown Prosecution Service, and every other arm of the state ostensibly dedicated to protecting these girls failed them. As a number of government inquires have concluded, they turned their face away from these girls because they were terrified of the accusations of racism that would come their way if they did address them. They decided it wasn’t worth the aggravation."
Wouldn't have happened to nice middle-class girls either. Just poor, white, working-class ones.
This is where the Lennon fella and his ilk may political hay.
I don't think they were "terrified of the accusations of racism" - they're using that as an excuse now for widespread incompetence and corruption.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I think it's generally agreed here that the authorities weren't too bothered about the lives of the girls involved, but it isn't necessary to introduce spurious nonsense like 'concerns about community cohesion' to explain that, unless you specifically want to push the anti-muslim and anti-left aspects of this.
And it's quite telling that you lump 'deadly Islamist fanatics and sexual abuse rings' together as if it's been clearly demonstrated that they're linked, and you use this as another excuse to bash 'the left'.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
As I mentioned in another thread, I had some dealings with the police over this sort of thing when I was community worker. It's absolutely a red herring to think that they were afraid of getting called racist or of the faithful starting a riot in defence of their noble brothers. Shocking though it may be, they've traditionally taken a view that vulnerable girls being preyed on by dodgy men is just an unfortunate part of life's rich tapestry and not really a police matter. It wasn't really anything new on the police side of things.
And, in any case, who do you know on "the left" who would take a view that a bit of noncing is OK provided it keeps the peace? This seems like something from a far-right blog post, swallowed and regurgitated.
And, in any case, who do you know on "the left" who would take a view that a bit of noncing is OK provided it keeps the peace? This seems like something from a far-right blog post, swallowed and regurgitated.
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Conference today, Stand Up to Racism, front for the SWP rape apologists
I cannot think of one time when they protested against Islamic extremists, in fact they invite them to their events.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Every arm of the British State?
The Broads authority are on his case. If he ever wants to go on a gentle boating holiday with no locks he’s really fucked.
My view is that they thought the girls deserved it because they’d ‘asked for it’ (or similar). And LiamO is absolutely right that they’d have taken a completely different view of the victims were from ‘good homes’.
Ah, the common left interpretation, nothing can be allowed which may indicate some culpability.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I didn't link them but merely mentioned them in the same sentence.
It's naive to think that the police and local authorities were not sensitive to the publicity that would inevitably result from the agitating of self-appointed community leaders and the like, who would inevitably have painted this as a racist issue before it became all too clear what was going on. Better the quiet life. As for the left, where has there been any real analysis or condemnation? It seems to me that they're far more willing to waste time on self-publicising petty entrepreneurs like Yaxley-Lennon and his cardboard Nazi hangers-on than risk undermining their long-held assumption (identical in essence to those of the authorities) that official multiculturalism can never bring problems.
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You don't think that senior police personnel post Lawrence aren't concerned with their forces being seen as racist, i agree plenty of lower ranks wouldnt care, but it would be transmitted down to them not to make waves.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The British State gets accused (and is) racist the whole time and doesn't seem too upset by it. Not sure why this time they were apparently so terrified of it?
The undertone also seems to be a bit is that if these pedophiles were exposed then people from their own communities and circles would have taken the pedophiles side rather than also being horrified by their actions.
Isn't it that incompetence and generally not giving much of a fuck about poor young women are much more likely to have been the major causes rather than a worry of being accused of racism?
The undertone also seems to be a bit is that if these pedophiles were exposed then people from their own communities and circles would have taken the pedophiles side rather than also being horrified by their actions.
Isn't it that incompetence and generally not giving much of a fuck about poor young women are much more likely to have been the major causes rather than a worry of being accused of racism?
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Serious response for a change.
Where the EDL were ‘successful’ i.e. achieved their aims in an effective manner, was in mobilising a number of football risk groups (hooligans in old money) both in terms of members and tactics. A number of their chapters ( battalions?) were firms, or large chunks of firms, from lower league clubs’ risk.
It only worked for a couple of years but it was quite effective whilst it did. It brought people in groups with existing communications and some command and control together; a fair number of whom were up for a bit of a scrap. It worked against small counter protest and small or ad hoc police tactics.
Once the old bill started to use standard football responses - most of which the’d never get away with against anyone else- the EDL fairly much lost their main tactic.
The big counter protests were also hard for the EDL to deal with as they and the police response would cause everything to go static. Which didn’t favour their tactics.
Poor old Tommy’s been trying different ways to get back into the limelight ever since. None- including this latest stunt- have done the job. So it’ll probably be back to mortgage fraud soon.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I've never known anybody on the left who might think so. I have, however, known plenty who seem to hold to the idea that ethnic minorities are still as vulnerable and isolated as they were in the 1970s, and that any criticism of what goes on in their communities gives succour to the racists.
Whose culpability?
newbie
undisambiguated
Each situation is shocking and distressing for those of us who only know of it what we read, but you really don't have to go very far down the 'white trash' line you know nor the working class one. Blind eyes were turned when other children were raped in environments like churches, childrens homes, football clubs, entertainment, private schools and so on. The cases highlighted by racists have an extra component, but that doesn't really make them that much different, except inasmuch as the crimes were committed by working class men without the protection afforded by eg the church heirarchy.
Eh, his online presence(including satellite sites, fanb sites, etc) is huge, his book has just gone back on Amazons best seller, the petition for his release is reaching 600'000, globally, there are 'Free Tommy' rallies in many countries, all the 'stars' of the alt right, Hanson, Guilders, maybe even Trump soon, are lauding him, some failure.
edit, 600,000, not 60,00!
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RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
And if what people are saying on threads like this is true and that he is getting support from those that they would never have thought it of (and I have witnessed some unlikely people speaking up for his 'bravery' or 'bottle' as well), it means that his campaign to be seen as the only one who cares about issues like this in working class communities has become more successful than we might have thought only a short time ago. If this is so, that's an extra layer of potential support for any 'sensible' far-right party that emerges in the future, gleaned mainly from natural supporters of the left-of-centre.
The Americanisation of UK politics, with a sizeable section of the working class ripe for exploitation by the right, and a Labour party and its far-left satellites ignoring or pouring scorn on their concerns, is a hideous sight to behold. I might have to get somebody to create a safe space for me if it goes on much longer.
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Raheem
Well-Known Member
This is you imagining a narrative. I'm pretty sure that trying to avoid being seen as racist does form a part of police culture. But does that extend to not investigating crimes? I'm not aware of any evidence of it happening, but maybe you are. What I do know first hand, even though it's only based on one case, is that the police were unwilling to do anything about a certain type of grooming for no other reason than that that was their standard way of responding in those cases.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I don't have any info to hand, and I could be remembering it inaccurately, but haven't the police and wider authorities more or less admitted to it in the various reports into the cases and press exposes and so on?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
As has been said rather than admitting they're fucking incompetent and basically don't give much of a fuck about poor people and even less about poor vulnerable young women, it's much easier to insist that they would have absolutely loved to investigate but they were stopped by the nasty politically correct left who were just waiting to pounce and call them racist. Blame shifting classic.
In the same way they admitted to institutional racism in the Lawrence case. As a cover up for actual corruption and incompetence with nameable people responsible.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Plenty of kids from supposedly"good homes" have been abuse victims within the unregulated institutions in the private school system. As revaluations about schools such as St Benedict's show
Ex-St Benedict's staff member convicted of sexual assault
Child abuse, cover-ups and public schools
Abuse occurs in situations where vulnerable people are not protected from potential predators be they: taxi drivers, teachers, media personalities, clergy or family members.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The ‘chav’, a dehumanised character created to be used as a weapon of the class war, one that they used very successfully to divide.’It’s just chav girls, fuck it, probably asking for it, would be unreliable in court, too much agg.’
That’s what allowed these sickos to flourish. The state wasn’t worried about the perpetrator’s race, they just couldn’t give a shit about people they see as lesser beings.
Race does play a part too. If people hadn’t been happy to ignore it there’d have been no void for Robinson to move into.
What part ?
