Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[MightyTibberton]

What are YouTube's criteria for banning people?

They are long, complicated, and from what I've seen and read they're almost impossible to trigger unless you're posting things that are outright illegal - child porn, terrorist stuff, snuff films... - and generally accepted as such. You can say "black people are stupid" as much as you like as long as you're polite.

Alex Jones gets close to getting banned from time to time by having "community strikes" against him, but I think there are a time limit - four in three-months I think.

You're not supposed to suggest this, but I would say do report stuff. If you think it's breaking the community rules - hate speech is the most likely - then report them. I doubt it'll make much difference.

YouTube, like the social media companies, have managed to get themselves regulated as platforms not publishers, so they're not really responsible for what goes up. The DCMS committee wants to change that I think.

 

[bimble]

Yes.

Link (broken) to TR facebook page: www. facebook.com/thetommyrobinson/photos/pcb.1335697909899593/1335697836566267/?type=3&theater

Not going to venture on there but brilliant, love that he ticked yes it has a racial aspect.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[8ball]

They are long, complicated, and from what I've seen and read they're almost impossible to trigger unless you're posting things that are outright illegal - child porn, terrorist stuff, snuff films... - and generally accepted as such. You can say "black people are stupid" as much as you like as long as you're polite.

I wasn't really aware of whatever he says on the matter of race - when I last looked (a few years ago now), there was a weird cult thing he was building up around him, a lot of it related to the idea of separating yourself from your toxic family connections.

This was before the coalescing of various things into that weird soupy gunk we call the "alt right". I guess it makes sense he'd throw his hat in with that.

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[Treacle Toes]

 

[8ball]

When he says 'enhanced', I guess he's not talking about being fitted with claws like Wolverine.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Are these for real?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Are these for real?

He has posted them on his page.

 

[winjer]

They're reposted here:

"I'm paranoid so I rely on tinned food", welcome to Brexitland.

 

[Treacle Toes]

uff he is such a self promoting nutjob...he filmed himself reuniting with his kids and posted it up. He is the star of his own reality TV programme. Barfff.

 

[cupid_stunt]

He has posted them on his page.

Oh, I missed that.

Anyway, what a fucking twat.

 

[MightyTibberton]

I wasn't really aware of whatever he says on the matter of race - when I last looked (a few years ago now), there was a weird cult thing he was building up around him, a lot of it related to the idea of separating yourself from your toxic family connections.

This was before the coalescing of various things into that weird soupy gunk we call the "alt right". I guess it makes sense he'd throw his hat in with that.

The extent to which the Alt Right is a money-making bandwagon would be something worth looking at.

 

[Ax^]

quote from a prisons spokesmen

“Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners – he had access to visits, television and showers – and it is totally false to say he was held in ‘solitary confinement’.

“He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population.”

Jesus Tommy will try anything to paint the picture of a martyr

 

[8ball]

The extent to which the Alt Right is a money-making bandwagon would be something worth looking at.

Traditional conspiraloonery seemed to be well set up for taking people's money, and I expect the overlap between them and the alt-right extends to more than various elements of their worldview.

 

[classicdish]

Not going to venture on there but brilliant, love that he ticked yes it has a racial aspect.

That's because the actual 'complaint' is in the box above this one, and is about being moved from a 7% muslim prison to a 30%+ one, and then having restrictions placed on him (eg being locked in his cell) 'for his own safety' (but not being put on the 'segregation' wing).

 

[MightyTibberton]

Oh yeah, they love a crowdfund do the internet fascists!

I did raise my - obviously completely unfounded - suspicions that Yaxley Lennon's arrest and crowd-funding of his legal fees exactly coincided with him losing an appeal against him having to repay the £160,000 he was convicted of nicking in that mortgage fraud case.

 

[butchersapron]

Been people accusing them/it/him/far right in gen of just being money making for years - doesn't effect the wider reasons that produce support, that produces the fears they can cash in on, that they exploit. For that you need bit of a wider lens.

 

[classicdish]

Jesus Tommy will try anything to paint the picture of a martyr

I don't like or support TR but - is it normal to lock someone in their cell for 23.5 hrs a day and not allow them contact with any other prisoners?

 

[MightyTibberton]

The prison service are denying it...

A Prison Service spokesman said: ‘Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners – he had access to visits, television and showers – and it is totally false to say he was held in “solitary confinement”.

‘He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population.’

 

[butchersapron]

I love these terms - "Care & Separation" Unit.

 

[winjer]

That's because the actual 'complaint' is in the box above this one, and is about being moved from a 7% muslim prison to a 30%+ one, and then having restrictions placed on him (eg being locked in his cell) 'for his own safety' (but not being put on the 'segregation' wing).

But surely he's not claiming a racial distinction from muslims, Islam being a religion not a race etc...

 

[8ball]

Been people accusing them/it/him/far right in gen of just being money making for years - doesn't effect the wider reasons that produce support, that produces the fears they can cash in on, that they exploit. For that you need bit of a wider lens.

Of course you need to look at what is feeding the desire to seek these people out, but I think things are happening at a different level here.

When you get stuff like (for example) Milo's speaking tours and book deals, podcast patronage setups, sophisticated monetisation strategies, the "showbiz" element etc. I think we've entered a slightly different arena. A bit like how pro footballers have been around for a long time, but things toko on a different shape when the numbers got really barmy.

I know it's the same turd with really expensive polish, but it feels like a lot of the main "market actors" in this sector see themselves as primarily exactly that - players in a lucrative area of content provision.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course you need to look at what is feeding the desire to seek these people out, but I think things are happening at a different level here.

When you get stuff like (for example) Milo's speaking tours and book deals, podcast patronage setups, sophisticated monetisation strategies, the "showbiz" element etc. I think we've entered a slightly different arena. A bit like how pro footballers have been around for a long time, but things toko on a different shape when the numbers got really barmy.

I know it's the same turd with really expensive polish, but it feels like a lot of the main "market actors" in this sector see themselves as primarily exactly that.

Then we get this shit 'take him down' /expose him style stuff - and the real on-the-ground- stuff just goes on and on and on - and those engaged in doing the internet expose of the former slap themselves on the back for doing that 'politics' and imagine that they're somehow addressing the latter.

 

[8ball]

Then we get this shit 'take him down' /expose him style stuff - and the real on-the-ground- stuff just goes on and on and on - and those engaged in doing the internet expose of the former slap themselves on the back for doing that 'politics' and imagine that they're somehow addressing the latter.

So the market cycle goes...

 

[MightyTibberton]

Been people accusing them/it/him/far right in gen of just being money making for years - doesn't effect the wider reasons that produce support, that produces the fears they can cash in on, that they exploit. For that you need bit of a wider lens.

True, and I suppose it was always the way.

One of the first things I came to Urban for was the Tim Pool thread. He first came to prominence in Occupy (where he hooked up with psycho Luke Rudkowski), and had been making nicely filmed videos of abandoned factories, and some fairly straight reportage - though he had started, I think, to make things up - and was getting a few thousand views on his videos, with the odd breakout success, until the Sweden thing. That broke him to an international audience on the far right and he's stayed there ever since - stubbornly claiming to be "centrist" or even "left wing" - ever since.

I really can't stand him now, he is so dishonest it makes me sick. In a personality-driven sector he's also without one, so his success surprises me a little.

 

[MightyTibberton]

Republic Digital Management – A Digital Rights & Advertisement Company

This is the company that represents Tim Pool. I think they might do Lauren Southern too. Massive gravy train.

 

[Ax^]

I don't like or support TR but - is it normal to lock someone in their cell for 23.5 hrs a day and not allow them contact with any other prisoners?

not normally but what he has shown of his character and who he associates with

screaming of a Muslim conspiracy, telling everyone he fears for his life and demanding segregation to get extra media coverage is not beyond the cunt

 

[M Testa]

But surely he's not claiming a racial distinction from muslims, Islam being a religion not a race etc...

quote of the day!

 

[colacubes]

quote of the day!

Why?