Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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existentialist
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Love island, m8. Twitter is totally awsome for love island.
I thought I explained that? Try taking emotion out of it and looking at the actual facts. One last try...:
His political action lead to him being persecuted by the state. He was persecuted for founding and leading the EDL. The EDL did not meet the threshold to be proscribed by the Home Secretary, meaning leading the EDL and protesting with the EDL was supposed to be anyone’s democratic/legal right.
The response of the state however appears to me to have been to prosecute him for something millions of other people commonly did at that time (that’s applying a different standard of justice to Tommy Robinson because he is Tommy Robinson, or, as one of Stalin’s Hench men used to put it ‘show me the man and I will find you the crime’). That’s clearly persecution motivated by politics, that’s not blind justice and fair and impartial application of the same law and standards for all.
The fact that he was officially in prison for mortgage fraud, but his early release conditions were not to associate with people from the EDL, is just more evidence that the ‘real’ reason he was in prison was for leading and organising the EDL.
Let me put it another way by asking you a question if I may: If Tommy hadn’t been the leader of the EDL and wasn’t involved in politics, then do you honestly believe he would have ended up been locked up for lending a family member money to get a deposit on a house when nobody (including the bank) lost a penny?
Tommy is gay.
skyscraper101
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I read his book. Reading is sort of a hobby of mine...You seem to be remarkably au fait with the inner workings of TR's mind...
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
Such is the mind control power of the Establishment that they keep getting Tommy to plead guilty to all these things he hasn't done.
The Guardian has reported that Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, had previously admitted two counts of the offence at a hearing in November.
Comment on the sentencing on Twitter Robinson said: “This is a complete stitch-up.
“See u all in 18 months.”
Robinson was accused of conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation from the Abbey and Halifax.
Judge Andrew Bright QC described Robinson as the “instigator, if not the architect” of some of the frauds.
Passing sentence, the judge told said: “This was an operation which was fraudulent from the outset and involved a significant amount of forward planning.”
Bright described Robinson as the frauds “fixer” and said he had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild.
Alongside Robinson in the dock was Steven Vowles who admitted conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation and transferring criminal property.
Lisa Moore also pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obtain a mortgage by fraudulent misrepresentation.
And broker Rothschild pleaded guilty to four charges of conspiring to commit fraud by false representation. The charges involved the obtaining of four mortgages.
Finally, Anjee Darcy pleaded guilty to two offences of conspiring to commit fraud by misrepresentation and false accounting.
Judge Andrew Bright QC was told how Robinson had made loans totalling £40,000 to Vowles and later Moore to help them with the deposits for a property in Luton.
But he also introduced them to crooked broker Rothschild who specialised in helping people obtain a mortgage who wouldn’t normally be eligible because of insufficient income and capital.
Rothschild assisted Moore, Vowles and Darcy in their fraudulent applications by providing fake pay slips and income details.
The fraudulent mortgages she obtained came to a total of £640,000.
She was jailed for 18 months, Vowles was jailed for 27 months and Darcy was given a 15 month sentence suspended for 18 months and told she must carry out 200 hours of unpaid work.
Moore was given a six month prison sentence suspended for 18 months and told she must carry out 100 hours of unpaid work and pay costs of £1500.
The Guardian has reported that Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, had previously admitted two counts of the offence at a hearing in November.
Comment on the sentencing on Twitter Robinson said: “This is a complete stitch-up.
“See u all in 18 months.”
Robinson was accused of conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation from the Abbey and Halifax.
Judge Andrew Bright QC described Robinson as the “instigator, if not the architect” of some of the frauds.
Passing sentence, the judge told said: “This was an operation which was fraudulent from the outset and involved a significant amount of forward planning.”
Bright described Robinson as the frauds “fixer” and said he had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild.
Alongside Robinson in the dock was Steven Vowles who admitted conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation and transferring criminal property.
Lisa Moore also pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obtain a mortgage by fraudulent misrepresentation.
And broker Rothschild pleaded guilty to four charges of conspiring to commit fraud by false representation. The charges involved the obtaining of four mortgages.
Finally, Anjee Darcy pleaded guilty to two offences of conspiring to commit fraud by misrepresentation and false accounting.
Judge Andrew Bright QC was told how Robinson had made loans totalling £40,000 to Vowles and later Moore to help them with the deposits for a property in Luton.
But he also introduced them to crooked broker Rothschild who specialised in helping people obtain a mortgage who wouldn’t normally be eligible because of insufficient income and capital.
Rothschild assisted Moore, Vowles and Darcy in their fraudulent applications by providing fake pay slips and income details.
The fraudulent mortgages she obtained came to a total of £640,000.
She was jailed for 18 months, Vowles was jailed for 27 months and Darcy was given a 15 month sentence suspended for 18 months and told she must carry out 200 hours of unpaid work.
Moore was given a six month prison sentence suspended for 18 months and told she must carry out 100 hours of unpaid work and pay costs of £1500.
Treacle Toes
Time
You really do have a selective interpretation and memory of his crimes don't you?
Ex-EDL leader jailed for £160k fraud
I see you haven't mentioned his misuse of passports either.
EDL leader jailed over USA trip
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
I'm going to be an extreme political figure I think. Islamist, AntiFa, Robinsonesque, it doesn't really matter, you can do whatever the fuck you like, then when you get prosecuted for it you can call it a "politically motivated attempt to silence dissent" and crowd fund your lifestyle out of ignorant Americans. Great stuff. Have a laugh.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Was he picked up on minor offences that other people might have gotten away with? Maybe. But police scrutiny is something that happens to most political people in the public eye, particularly if it's street-level and a potential breach of the peace. And Tommy wasn't just "being political", he was rallying thousands of far-right boneheads, many of whom were known to police for violent episodes (as Tommy himself is). How and why do you think the (often non-political) football firms got taken down? He got picked up because he was sloppy and because his lads kept rampaging through town centres causing trouble, not because his politics are extra specially radical or scary for the State.
I mean seriously, what do you think is challenging for Westminster about demanding Muslims be treated like the enemy within, exactly? It's a straightforward patriotic, xenophobic, racist reactionary movement, burning Parliament is precisely the last thing that's going to happen under Tommy's watch. He offers zero threat to State interests.
Yes. Defrauding a bank is a crime regardless of whether anyone loses money. You blithering idiot. The stupidity was Tommy's for thinking that you can run the nation's biggest violent racist football firm without anyone keeping a close eye on what you're doing.
The fucking ridiculous thing about this entire approach is the utterly bizarre idea that Tommy Robinson is somehow special. Sorry to harsh your buzz, but he's not. He's a figurehead for the same morons who have been marching around playing street soldier since year dot and has garnered a profile from far-right media outlets opportunistically portraying his misadventures as a form of martyrdom, that's it.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
anyone else?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
You really do have a selective interpretation and memory of his crimes don't you?
Ex-EDL leader jailed for £160k fraud
I see you haven't mentioned his misuse of passports either.
EDL leader jailed over USA trip
I'll wait for official confirmation when rsf posts, but that passport thing was apparently Robinson trying to save kids.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The judgement does seem a bit sqiffy, contempt is often dealt with on the same day, although I guess bringing in the suspended sentence may change things. But go in to court and call the judge a minging cunt and you’ll have bed and board for a fortnight there and then.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I heard Old Tommy was trying to get to the US to take the bullet for Dr King, a hero foiled by the state
JimW
支那暗杀团
I can never see videos or tweets but that's the Internet censorship here.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tbf the judgement pretty much says that the proceedings were unduly rushed, in proprtion to the alleged offence,. That there should have been a statement issued saying what the grounds for comtempt were and that in considering a cutodial sentence the case should have been adjourned. The judgement dismissed the appellants request that he'd done enough time in jail , the prosecition withdrawn and therefore should walk scott free. I'm not legally trained but I would think that in the next hearing it gives the prosecution the opportunity if they wish to take it to make sure that the charge is put in the correct way ?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I think where people have been going wrong is that they've been saying that to the judges' face, wheras if they post it on Facebook and then delete it when challenged they would probably get bail.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I feel that my 'what are you listening to now ' history has been a total waste of time . I'll do a short written summary but then video has some comedy gold moments in it , its like something from Brass Eye
ska invita
back on the other side
Easy mistake to make...I thought it was a cooking show.
She shouldn't have been banned is why.
MightyTibberton
Well-Known Member
I'm not a legal expert either. At first I just read the summary, which led me to believe that there weren't problems with the contempt, just the way that the judge dealt with it. Reading the full judgement though it seems there is some question as to what in the video might actually have broken the specific reporting restrictions on these trials. He's going to get his day in court - again - in any case.
skyscraper101
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Whilst I still have major reservations about why Cheesey was banned, I believe it was more owing to the totality of things including TR sympathies, rather than specific TR support.
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
Yeah, major reservations.
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