Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[RD2003]

My point is that we've never had one. Flip the question around.

Why would we get a "generation of etc etc..."?

It may be true that we haven't had one in this country, but the claim that this wasn't once the motivation of several generations of politicians and activists all across Europe and elsewhere, dragging hundreds of millions of predominently working class people behind them, is absurd. Whether they succeeded in 'abolishing market relations' is another matter, but it was certainly the aim.

But the era of socialist revolution, or whatever you want to call it, ended in 1989, with the idea of 'abolishing market relations' relegated to the margins of political discourse. Once this happened, the rise of the populist right, and the left's primary focus on the more manageable ideas of identity politics was inevitable. However unpalatable, the former clearly appears to have more relevance to many of the forgotten and dispossessed elements of the working class than a left that increasingly appears (or at least is easily presented as such) to represent nothing more than a shrill argument among middle class radicals.

Furthermore, while the age-old struggle between capital and labour goes on relentlessly, the idea of 'abolishing market relations' remains off the agenda for any foreseeable future, and the working class has little to put faith in even when it comes to the basics.

 

[LDC]

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[Pickman's model]

In English? Can't see a way of getting it without signing up...?

 

[butchersapron]

That takes you to a sign in/register pop-up doesn't it? Give us a sec and i'll upload another copy.

 

[butchersapron]

Here

And i've pdf-ed it.

 

[LDC]

Thank you.

 

[The39thStep]

I've forgotten what the question was now!

Pay attention at the back

 

[The39thStep]

Dunno why but the link just downloaded straight away for me

 

[butchersapron]

Dunno why but the link just downloaded straight away for me

You may have been logged in, It did for me when i was logged in.

 

[ddraig]

In English? Can't see a way of getting it without signing up...?

Ctrl key +A is select all
ctrl key +C is copy
ctrl key +V is paste
nice to be thanked by treelover for helping them out with their query

 

[steeplejack]

This , I think , makes some good points however the conclusion is a bit woolly
Why the Left Must Change: Right-Wing Populism in Context

I think this is an excerpt from their book, The Rise of the Right : English nationalism and the transformation of working class politics.

Was a very good and sobering read but, like the rest of us, their conclusion in the book is part wishing upon a star and part impractical. The analysis of Brexit and the rise in the Tory vote /collapse in the centre analysis seems spot on though.

 

[The39thStep]

I think this is an excerpt from their book, The Rise of the Right : English nationalism and the transformation of working class politics.

Was a very good and sobering read but, like the rest of us, their conclusion in the book is part wishing upon a star and part impractical. The analysis of Brexit and the rise in the Tory vote /collapse in the centre analysis seems spot on though.

Yes it's pretty much taken from that which is an excellent read. Welcome back mate

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Written by lawyer but readable and full of that lawyer type humour which you either like or don't:
Tommy Robinson's appeal: will his world class legal team get him out of prison? - BarristerBlogger

 

[Poi E]

and one of them, Richard Kovalevsky QC, is indisputably one of the country’s top criminal barristers.

Tommy's got deep pockets.

 

[Pickman's model]

and one of them, Richard Kovalevsky QC, is indisputably one of the country’s top criminal barristers.

Tommy's got deep pockets.

But short arms

 

[Toast Rider]

and one of them, Richard Kovalevsky QC, is indisputably one of the country’s top criminal barristers.

Tommy's got deep pockets.

Tommy's dodgy backers got deep pockets.

Not tommy

 

[teqniq]

It says crowdfunding in the blog, but doubtless some of his dodgy backers are indeed loaded.

 

[Toast Rider]

It says crowdfunding in the blog, but doubtless some of his dodgy backers are indeed loaded.

He has a lot of support across the board, but the bulk of it comes from some deep dark pockets indeed, IMO. How else did some no mark low grade middle class fascist become so popular, dare I say successful, at all this.

 

[gentlegreen]

How else did some no mark low grade middle class fascist become so popular, dare I say successful, at all this.

Yes - he's no Mosley or Powell ...

 

[Toast Rider]

Yes - he's no Mosley or Powell ...

No but somewhere he's got a passport that claims otherwise

 

[Poi E]

Tommy's dodgy backers got deep pockets.

Not tommy

Yes, 'tis what I meant. The source of these funds should be of great interest; more than just a whip around at a few pubs.

 

[Teaboy]

Written by lawyer but readable and full of that lawyer type humour which you either like or don't:
Tommy Robinson's appeal: will his world class legal team get him out of prison? - BarristerBlogger

So any money left over from crowdsourcing for his pointless appeal is going to his family. What a surprise.

The whole theatre show is just a money making exercise, as per

 

[Poi E]

It's more than that. It puts poor old Tommy against "the establishment", meaning that any sanction that is applied to him garners him further kudos in the eyes of his supporters, and more coverage. A barrister blogger sneers at him? Well, "they would, wouldn't they". Probably a remainer cunt, you know what I mean?

 

[Toast Rider]

So any money left over from crowdsourcing for his pointless appeal is going to his family. What a surprise.

The whole theatre show is just a money making exercise, as per

Perhaps his world class barristers ought to have advised him not to plead guilty.

To the crime of calling defendants in an ongoing case child abusers on camera.

Again.

Someon's funding him though, not just patreon plebs D). That promo video for his 'day of freedom' was pretty slick, plus the logistics of gathering all the world's Youtube wankers in one place to speak. Like Live Aid but for the voices of aggrieved privilege.

 

[billbond]

He has a lot of support across the board, but the bulk of it comes from some deep dark pockets indeed, IMO. How else did some no mark low grade middle class fascist become so popular, dare I say successful, at all this.

"Middle class" Tommy Robinson ???, Really
Never heard anybody call him that tbh

 

[Toast Rider]

"Middle class" Tommy Robinson ???, Really
Never heard anybody call him that tbh

You won't, he's cultivated a working class hero image. I don't think it's deserved. From my understanding of his background.

I'm not using middle class perjoratively

 

[Pickman's model]

"Middle class" Tommy Robinson ???, Really
Never heard anybody call him that tbh

no. but where would you put a company director? are they working class?

 

[Poi E]

I'm not using middle class perjoratively

It's OK. You're amongst friends.

 

[Ranbay]

no. but where would you put a company director? are they working class?

Has he worked since 2007 as in day a job?
Spends a lot on nice clothing also

 

[billbond]

You won't, he's cultivated a working class hero image. I don't think it's deserved. From my understanding of his background.

I'm not using middle class perjoratively

Yeah tbh i do not know enough about his background so maybe should not comment, i just was a little surprised to hear that term about him.
All i really know about him is his from Luton , was at one time involved in football hooliganism and has seen the inside of a prison cell once or twice in his life for various reasons.
And seems obsessed with one subject.
oh and has a wife and 3-4 kids.