Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[Pickman's model]

Can't see 19th C left/SWP fronted orgs like UAF making that distinction, nuance isn't in their vocabulary.

Yes, this is what i gauge from the FB/social media,, antipathy to elites, the PTB, even increasingly the police, but also visceral hostility to 'paedo's' and now frequently the Left.

there are no 19th c left groups in the country. nor have there been for more than one hundred years. and antipathy to elites and even to the police is nothing new.

like your use of ptb jargon btw, i am sure that everyone you talk to understands that and no one you encounter finds it opaque.

 

[Libertad]

there are no 19th c left groups in the country. nor have there been for more than one hundred years. and antipathy to elites and even to the police is nothing new.

like your use of ptb jargon btw, i am sure that everyone you talk to understands that and no one you encounter finds it opaque.

PTB:
PTB - Wikipedia

It all becomes clear now.

 

[Pickman's model]

PTB:
PTB - Wikipedia

It all becomes clear now.

and it becomes clearer when treelover doesn't mean ANY of those PTBs

 

[Pickman's model]

PTB:
PTB - Wikipedia

It all becomes clear now.

if only ruddy yurts were still with us and we'd lost tl instead.

 

[Poi E]

Still, one thing the English Democratic Football Lads Independence Party surely don't want to bring back from days of yore is the weather. I mean, it's fucking great these days. I saw 1970s UK shows in NZ and fuck me was it grey.

 

[Pickman's model]

Still, one thing the English Democratic Football Lads Independence Party surely don't want to bring back from days of yore is the weather. I mean, it's fucking great these days. I saw 1970s UK shows in NZ and fuck me was it grey.

 

[Poi E]

Might have been the episodes where Leela was running around in a quarry and not looking miserable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Might have been the episodes where Leela was running around in a quarry and not looking miserable.

 

[Teaboy]

, but also visceral hostility to 'paedo's'

I know you don't do replying so I won't bother asking the question, but I'm pretty cool with the above. Obviously care needs to be taken to ensure innocent people are not caught up in it all but beyond that, I'm down with visceral hostility to nonces.

 

[belboid]

there are no 19th c left groups in the country.

well, the CPGB believe that Engels' Critique of the Erfurt Programme as still the key Marxist doctrine that must be followed to the letter, so arguably they are

 

[cupid_stunt]

Still, one thing the English Democratic Football Lads Independence Party surely don't want to bring back from days of yore is the weather. I mean, it's fucking great these days. I saw 1970s UK shows in NZ and fuck me was it grey.

Only in Watford, TBF...

 

[Libertad]

if only ruddy yurts were still with us and we'd lost tl instead.

Not bassoon but fucktrumpet.

 

[Pickman's model]

well, the CPGB believe that Engels' Critique of the Erfurt Programme as still the key Marxist doctrine that must be followed to the letter, so arguably they are

yeh but they're also keen on the first and second programmes of lenin's russian communists, which drags them into the edwardian era.


http://cpgb.org.uk/assets/files/resources/Party_and_programme.pdf p4

 

[Pickman's model]

Not bassoon but fucktrumpet.

instead we have a brass fartbucket

 

[Libertad]

instead we have a brass fartbucket

Without a handle.

 

[chilango]

well, the CPGB believe that Engels' Critique of the Erfurt Programme as still the key Marxist doctrine that must be followed to the letter, so arguably they are

SPGB near as dammit are 19thc.

 

[Pickman's model]

SPGB near as dammit are 19thc.

now they no longer use a mimeograph and have acquired a commodore 64 for their dtp i think we can say they have crawled into the 20th century

 

[belboid]

Socialist Labor Party of the USA go back to 1876, I think they are still using the original lithograph

 

[The39thStep]

If you go on the TR FB page, there is an increasing amount of people, most over 60, , including many women, who say it will be their first ever march on the 14th, they see Robinson as some sort of cipher for the old england that has gone, it won't be a good look if they are attacked on the day whatever their views. analysing those who are going it also seems to have graduates, inc Cambridge ones, going, as well as East/Central Europeans, it looks like it will be very different than past ones. Though also plenty of WC Tories/Kippers, etc.

When was the last time any of these marches were attacked?

 

[The39thStep]

Much of the political narrative is built around a yearning for days past. Nothing unique about Robinson's adoption of it.

I'm yearning for days past

 

[Red Sky]

When was the last time any of these marches were attacked?

They haven't been.

 

[The39thStep]

They haven't been.

Exactly.

 

[Libertad]

I'm yearning for days past

I'd settle for before the first Enclosure Act.

 

[Red Sky]

Exactly.

Hopefully the counter demo will be larger than before but there'll probably be more than 10 000 TR supporters there.

 

[newbie]

I'd settle for before the first Enclosure Act.

are you taking the NHS, transport system and internet with you or leaving them behind?

 

[imposs1904]

now they no longer use a mimeograph and have acquired a commodore 64 for their dtp i think we can say they have crawled into the 20th century

We went back to the Gestetner. You can't get the parts for the Commodore 64 these days. I knew we should have gone with the ZX Spectrum.

 

[The39thStep]

Hopefully the counter demo will be larger than before but there'll probably be more than 10 000 TR supporters there.

Physical anti fascism is out of the question most of the people attending aren't fascists .
I suppose there are pros and cons about counter demos . Even if it was possible to match their numbers something more is needed IMO . Antifascism against TR and associated demos somehow has to be more than just anti it has or someone has to offer an alternative narrative to their recruiting pool.

 

[Poi E]

I tell ya, grab that England flag as a symbol and take it back from the football fash.

 

[Voley]

There's bellends on Twitter using the same argument that Cloo was talking about to defend Morrissey now.

Apparently not buying a ticket because you find his views abhorrent is an attack on free speech now.

"Freedom of speech in a coma, I know it's serious" I read earlier.

 

[Red Sky]

Physical anti fascism is out of the question most of the people attending aren't fascists .
I suppose there are pros and cons about counter demos . Even if it was possible to match their numbers something more is needed IMO . Antifascism against TR and associated demos somehow has to be more than just anti it has or someone has to offer an alternative narrative to their recruiting pool.

You'd have to figure out what their "recruiting pool" is. Not all that straightforward.