The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Well lets have a stab at it.
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's good that they're doing a blackshirt version. Slightly disappointing not to see one with a huge St George's Cross on it, though. A trick has been missed.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This , I think , makes some good points however the conclusion is a bit woolly
Why the Left Must Change: Right-Wing Populism in Context
Why the Left Must Change: Right-Wing Populism in Context
Hopefully , like with 95% of the 'Antifa' merchandise, it's some scammer who's going to disappear with the money.
Good article, but a bit bizarre that it doesn't mention Corbyn and the re-orientation of the Labour party. That might be all bollocks but it should have been dealt with.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
or the big DOWNLOAD button top right
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not only is it not his day it's not his decade
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Never said this to me before, regret I don't do telepathy. And ffr if you do want to bring something to my attention pm, quote or tag me.
Brexit is Labour’s future – Progress | Centre-left Labour politics
Here is a different perspective from Blue Labour advocate Jonathan Rutherford, I will say he was one of the few in the LP to oppose Blair's welfare reforms from day one.
Sorry, its an article on Progress Online.
The long read: Labour can respond to Brexit by leading a popular politics that completes the shift away from Thatcherism | LabourList
another by him, here
Here is a different perspective from Blue Labour advocate Jonathan Rutherford, I will say he was one of the few in the LP to oppose Blair's welfare reforms from day one.
Sorry, its an article on Progress Online.
The long read: Labour can respond to Brexit by leading a popular politics that completes the shift away from Thatcherism | LabourList
another by him, here
is this receiving wider circulation?, I am writing to the authors to see if they will put an abridged version on Medium
btw, if you tried to circulate this at many Momentum meetings, you would be shouted down, etc.
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Women's march on Sunderland's streets draws in hundreds
Big march in Sunderland today described by some on the far right as 'girls march against grooming gangs' though different groups have different names for it, see above.
they are using slogans of the radical left/reclaim the night as well, 'whoose streets' our streets', anti-police as well, if the hot weather continues then i think there may be confrontations.
many are young women as well, not far right afaics.
Women's march on Sunderland's streets draws in hundreds
Big march in Sunderland today described by some on the far right as 'girls march against grooming gangs' though different groups have different names for it, see above.
they are using slogans of the radical left/reclaim the night as well, 'whoose streets' our streets', anti-police as well, if the hot weather continues then i think there may be confrontations.
many are young women as well, not far right afaics.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
exactly why i wouldnt touch Momentum with a barge pole
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
True but what do you think their conclusion would have been if they had.Would it have made any difference?
"Why have we not seen a new generation of strident leftist politicians, keen to control the brutal excesses of market society..."
Sounds a lot like a liberal call to arms. The "brutal excesses" only?
It just made their analysis/rant seem very off the peg, written any time in the last twenty years.
The Corbynistas are talking capitalism, they are pointing the finger at the banks and neo liberalism. It may be too little too late but it is happening.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh the unacceptable face of capitalism etc
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
But who are they talking to? Its the Tories that are increasing their vote amongst the w/class not Labour.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Ok lets change that to 'why havent we seen a new generation of leftist politicians keen to abolish market society...'
Any ideas why we havent?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Have we ever "seen a generation of leftist politicians keen to abolish market society"?
Because parliamentary democracy is not the way to do it?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Ok lets change that to 'why havent we seen a new generation of leftist politicians keen to abolish market society but not by a parliamentary route'
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This started when Poi E was suggesting that stating absence of ' a new generation of strident leftist politicians, keen to control the brutal excesses of market society' was liberal handwringing and that the authors should have been pointing out the absence of something greater. I'm still keen to see if anyone has got anything to say in explaining why we havent got a new generation keen to either control or abolish the excesses of market society.Especially one that comes from a working class perspective .
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
My point is that we've never had one. Flip the question around.
Why would we get a "generation of etc etc..."?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Agreed. Ok scrap that. Lets get back to the question they asked ?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I've forgotten what the question was now!
