The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The truth is out there
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
do we have any more than the word of the pc themselves or their twitter accounts? because the 'police afraid of racism accusations' has been a very very weak line since day one, only given legs by 'repeat authoritatively until its true' so far as I can see.
I find it a weak excuse for the inaction too, I looked up stop and search numbers and they didn't look like a police force scared of appearing racist, some of the abusers were convicted criminals, that the police only started caring about looking racist when they received reports of serious sexual abuse seems unlikely to me, although the discussion on the beating the fascists thread and reading back some of the Rotherham thread have given me some doubts.
There are other child sex abuse scandals where the police can't use that excuse and it just looks like they were incapable/uncaring/dismissive
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Met a few. Not lefty but perhaps leaning to that. But more than often, the right wing cops are legion.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And back as Beavis22?
bemused
Well-Known Member
I'm curious, do you have an systemic examples of the Police's 'PC attitude' outside of social media?
In the context of what Robinson campaigns on, grooming gangs, I think the GMP faced legitimate criticism for the Rochdale case, but I've never sensed that any force is now avoiding addressing crimes within any community. In the case of grooming gangs, there have been and continue to be trials facing hundreds of offenders.
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Many seem to think that there are more vectors at work with Lennon-mania than just standard fash bibble.
There's the way the US r/w have latched onto things.
There's the general gibbering and post-truth aspects of modern social media, and more besides I'm sure.
All these feed into quite high demo turnout and social media shares of martyr myth BS about a guy who revels in the chance of getting nonces off the hook.
I had a minor brainwave yesterday regarding another factor: Without going into massive detail you may well be aware of the rise of "paedo hunting" groups in recent years. What started as a small number of often quite well organised and disciplined groups and individuals has become something of a flood of amateurs.
The whys and wherefores of the practice are for another thread, but what it generates is 10,000s of people who are worked up about nonces (understandably and largely regardless of colour, faith). Live stuff appears in their feed in the way Lennon's court capers did.
I think he has consciously / unconsciously tapped into that bunch of people, there's a lot of them and many are not natural EDL types. As such, they probably don't even know/care about the EDL or r/w politics but given a surface reading of what's happened and backed up with plenty of r/w articles from here and the US, some of them are prime cases for being duped into distorted islamophobic lies and de facto campaigning for the endangerment of nonce trials.
Interested in what people think of this angle.
There's the way the US r/w have latched onto things.
There's the general gibbering and post-truth aspects of modern social media, and more besides I'm sure.
All these feed into quite high demo turnout and social media shares of martyr myth BS about a guy who revels in the chance of getting nonces off the hook.
I had a minor brainwave yesterday regarding another factor: Without going into massive detail you may well be aware of the rise of "paedo hunting" groups in recent years. What started as a small number of often quite well organised and disciplined groups and individuals has become something of a flood of amateurs.
The whys and wherefores of the practice are for another thread, but what it generates is 10,000s of people who are worked up about nonces (understandably and largely regardless of colour, faith). Live stuff appears in their feed in the way Lennon's court capers did.
I think he has consciously / unconsciously tapped into that bunch of people, there's a lot of them and many are not natural EDL types. As such, they probably don't even know/care about the EDL or r/w politics but given a surface reading of what's happened and backed up with plenty of r/w articles from here and the US, some of them are prime cases for being duped into distorted islamophobic lies and de facto campaigning for the endangerment of nonce trials.
Interested in what people think of this angle.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I see that Paul Joseph Watson, Count Dankular and Sargon of Akkad have all joined UKIP.
joustmaster
offcumdun
Doug Stanhope seems to have been pissed off with how many EDL types had adopted his nihilistic and angry comedy rants as supporting their views. He's spent the last day blocking racists and telling people to fuck off and not come to his UK tour.
I do remember being held back by a line of older coppers, who may have been specials though, looking at some very goose-steppy fash
and we heard them saying
'Bloody hell, they're the people we fought a war against and we're protecting them'
'Couldn't we just break through here and see them off?
'More than our job's worth, sorry lads'
Maybe not left wing, but unsympathetic to the right.
and we heard them saying
'Bloody hell, they're the people we fought a war against and we're protecting them'
'Couldn't we just break through here and see them off?
'More than our job's worth, sorry lads'
Maybe not left wing, but unsympathetic to the right.
Sargon currently moaning that his membership has been rejected by "Neo Nazi Larpers".
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Daresay the Trumptard cunts have moved on from thinking it's good to risk nonces going free and are now cheering on or making excuses for child abuse at the southern border. God knows what happens to some of those kids, and the scum just love it. Victims are and only ever were political pawns.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What does that mean?
Your guess is probably nearly as good as mine.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Jesus Christ
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm choking up
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Happy to work for an organisation that consistently defends nazis and fucks over the people who come out to oppose them, so as usual whatever their personal principles they might as well not have any.
bemused
Well-Known Member
lol .... rejected by UKIP
They sound like Dungeons & Dragons characters.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sargon of akkad I think from ancient history
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
the tommy botherers are having an impromptu rally in leeds tomorrow. Why they are doing this two weeks before the more widely advertised one on the 7th is unclear. Maybe they hope that there will be less numbers to oppose them as all the mainstream groups - unions,labour party - are focused on the 7th and their is a big joe cox memorial event tomorrow. Seeing as they whistled up few hundred a short notice a few days after our tommy's suicide-by-judge - i think we could see similar numbers - or bigger - tomorrow and only a small anti-fa turn out. High likely hood of trouble - cops seem to think so as they've cancelled all leave and other events.
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Some Tommy supporters meet resistance on the streets of Belfast
‘UK Freedom March’ rally in Belfast sparks anti-fascist protests
Many of the 100 or so people on the UK Freedom March side, chanted “Oh Tommy Robinson”, a reference to the pseudonym of the former English Defence League leader Stephen Yaxley Lennon, a high profile British far-right figure who was jailed for 13 months in England recently for contempt of court.
Others declined to speak to the “biased media” on their arrival outside City Hall following a parade from the Sandy Row area of south Belfast.
Several attempts by the The Irish Times to speak to protesters carrying union, Irish, Israeli, football and far-right Generation Identity flags were thwarted by stewards wearing high visibility vests at the event.
‘UK Freedom March’ rally in Belfast sparks anti-fascist protests
Many of the 100 or so people on the UK Freedom March side, chanted “Oh Tommy Robinson”, a reference to the pseudonym of the former English Defence League leader Stephen Yaxley Lennon, a high profile British far-right figure who was jailed for 13 months in England recently for contempt of court.
Others declined to speak to the “biased media” on their arrival outside City Hall following a parade from the Sandy Row area of south Belfast.
Several attempts by the The Irish Times to speak to protesters carrying union, Irish, Israeli, football and far-right Generation Identity flags were thwarted by stewards wearing high visibility vests at the event.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Few quick observations on the 'Free Tommy' demo yesterday in Leeds...
It gathered outside the court, and the counter demo met about 200m or so away outside the art gallery/town hall. There was a gin festival in yurts and tents between us, Leeds in 2018
- or a middle class buffer zone as some wit mentioned.
The FT demo saw about 200 people maximum at its height, probably more like 150 if you exclude passers by that stopped to watch. It quickly ended up with 50 or so of the most rowdy blocked in between 2 lines of police. The rest drifted about, and eventually the whole thing dispersed.
The city was really busy, it was Armed Forces day in the city centre as well, with loads of stalls and recruiting/celebrating type things going on. Their demo never got near it, the court is a bit away thankfully. TBH the demo looked more bonkers than I thought it was going to be, less free speech orientated and more some slightly weird cult of little Tommy.
Demographic of attendees was mostly 20-50 something men, pretty much looked like a traditional EDL crowd, no more mixed that than. Quite a few of them were heard to be moaning about the lack of numbers and bad organization, but were optimistic the one on the 7th July will be much bigger. Common chatter in their ranks and flavor of the chants was he was set up by the elites for telling the truth, multicultural disaster, Muslim gangs being protected, that kind of bonkers nonsense. Most of their anger seemed to be directed towards to the police (police state stuff was often chanted) and the court and the vague 'establishment' rather than muslims or antifa. There were a few arrests of them, mostly for being drunk and really annoying I'd have thought.
The counter demo was about 200-250. Lacked any impetus really, normal demographic for these things, and was fully soft policed by the police liaison teams. Also drifted off after a few hours.
If I think of anything more useful after a coffee I'll stick it up here.
It gathered outside the court, and the counter demo met about 200m or so away outside the art gallery/town hall. There was a gin festival in yurts and tents between us, Leeds in 2018
- or a middle class buffer zone as some wit mentioned.The FT demo saw about 200 people maximum at its height, probably more like 150 if you exclude passers by that stopped to watch. It quickly ended up with 50 or so of the most rowdy blocked in between 2 lines of police. The rest drifted about, and eventually the whole thing dispersed.
The city was really busy, it was Armed Forces day in the city centre as well, with loads of stalls and recruiting/celebrating type things going on. Their demo never got near it, the court is a bit away thankfully. TBH the demo looked more bonkers than I thought it was going to be, less free speech orientated and more some slightly weird cult of little Tommy.
Demographic of attendees was mostly 20-50 something men, pretty much looked like a traditional EDL crowd, no more mixed that than. Quite a few of them were heard to be moaning about the lack of numbers and bad organization, but were optimistic the one on the 7th July will be much bigger. Common chatter in their ranks and flavor of the chants was he was set up by the elites for telling the truth, multicultural disaster, Muslim gangs being protected, that kind of bonkers nonsense. Most of their anger seemed to be directed towards to the police (police state stuff was often chanted) and the court and the vague 'establishment' rather than muslims or antifa. There were a few arrests of them, mostly for being drunk and really annoying I'd have thought.
The counter demo was about 200-250. Lacked any impetus really, normal demographic for these things, and was fully soft policed by the police liaison teams. Also drifted off after a few hours.
If I think of anything more useful after a coffee I'll stick it up here.
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