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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

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No, 'ill fitting suits' though.




I was waiting for some in depth analysis then saw it was by Martin Smith, late, sort of, of the SWP, aka Comrade Delta, so no thanks.

Putting your knee jerk tribalism to one side for a moment, which bits you not agree with?
 
I mean I'm not a racist but....what is it with all these Irish Catholic types - Steve Bannon, Stephen "Tommmeee" Lennon, Anne Marie Waters, Morrissey, Cheesypoof ? :hmm: ...the Alt-Rite ?

Well, Bannon is not Irish, neither is Lennon, Waters identifies as being British, as does Morrissey and wasn't really aware of Cheesypoof's nationality/ethnicity.

What is it with them? Attention seeking, perhaps. Felt wronged by life? That kinda thing.
 
Wait a minute. It's "knee jerk tribalism" to find Comrade Delta repugnant? Sorry, you're wrong.

I don't know who he is and why he is supposed to be repugnant, but surely its stupid to refuse to read something when it has potentially good information. Which bit of his article did you find repugnant?
 
I don't know who he is and why he is supposed to be repugnant, but surely its stupid to refuse to read something when it has potentially good information. Which bit of his article did you find repugnant?
Is because he's a rapist/abuser ... And then SWP leadership tried to brush it aside, cue lots of people leaving the SWP. It was worse than im describing it
 
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The current centre of power in the Tory party is pretty much where UKIP was and they will probably risk riding the Windrush storm and go back to May's "hostile to immigration" ways pretty quickly when they realise there is support in trad Labour heartlands for it. Radical maybe not, but pretty far right from my perspective.

How it will help the tories is that it will become a lightening rod for the activist left, while they’re raging at Tommy they’re letting May off the hook over the NHS, housing and everything else that has a more direct impact on people’s lives (for now). I think this is why the tories liked UKIP too, go after class clown Farage and let nice Cameron and Osborne get on with filleting the state. It makes them look not so bad in comparison, but they have actual power and are using it against the public.
 
Is because he's a rapist/abuser ... And then SWP leadership tried to brush it aside, cue lots of people leaving the SWP. It was worse than im describing it

Well I didn't know that, but which bit of his article did you find repugnant? People read things and glean information from people who've done far worse.
 
How long until some edgy BBC producer decides to have him on Question Time because it’ll be provocative and good for ratings?

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they invite you onto Question Time, mock you on social media and convince themselves you’ve lost...
 
That's the problem: he's trying to rehabilitate himself.
He's trying to do a bit more than that. He's trying to reposition himself as the great anti fascist leader again, but this time as analyst rather than embarrassing running man in an ill fitting polo. A back seat driver string puller but, importantly still offering only uaf style approaches. He is actually working hand in hand with the comrades to stich up any responses So they come under their guidance again.
 
I appreciate this won’t go down too well, but banning people with views like cheesypoof is surely missing the point of a discussion forum. Know your enemy and all that.

I once went to a wedding in rural Virginia where I met several bush supporters and actually learned a lot about why/how they could have voted for such a cunt. They explained their reasoning and I learned from it.

Sorry, devils advocate and all that. I’d like to know how any rational person could possibly support Tommy fucking Robinson.
are you the poster formerly known as gabi?
 
A few things worth thinking about before attempting to evaluate Tommy Robinson's appeal (or not) to the working class.

Why are we talking about the working class in particular? A mass appeal amongst the middle classes would be of concern too. Certainly electorally. However, I would argue that we should be more concerned about the w/c because our movement(s) need to be built from, in, and by, the working class if we are to build an alternative to capitalism rather than push fpr reforms within it. Y'know. Marx and the proletariat and that. That's why the far-right building in the w/c is of specific interest to us.

We've already discussed the vacuum left by the retreat of the Left seemingly ad infinitum. The BNP vote and then the UKIP vote show that there's a sustained audience for the far-right to exploit. At the moment the absence of an electoral vehicle leaves the stage empty for someone new. Concerning as it is a few thousand bodies on demos and trending hashtags on social media (or whatever) are not at the same level. Yet. There's no reason to doubt that something, or someone will though.

Interesting to flip the situation and consider how we'd be feeling if Tommy Robinson was one of us. Would be we be happy with 10k on an A-B march and retweets? No. We wouldn't surely? We've put many x those numbers on the streets and nothing much has come of it. Tommy Robinson has a bit of a media profile but is far from a credible, unifying figure for the Right. Yet. Nor is he a household name. At least no more so than, say, Owen Jones is for us.

TL;DR It's all still to play for.
 
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