Raheem
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I mean I'm not a racist but....what is it with all these Irish Catholic types - Steve Bannon, Stephen "Tommmeee" Lennon, Anne Marie Waters, Morrissey, Cheesypoof ?...the Alt-Rite ?
Ult-roit, surely?
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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Ult-roit, surely?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Corb
Putting your knee jerk tribalism to one side for a moment, which bits you not agree with?
Putting your knee jerk tribalism to one side for a moment, which bits you not agree with?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I mean I'm not a racist but....what is it with all these Irish Catholic types - Steve Bannon, Stephen "Tommmeee" Lennon, Anne Marie Waters, Morrissey, Cheesypoof ?
Well, Bannon is not Irish, neither is Lennon, Waters identifies as being British, as does Morrissey and wasn't really aware of Cheesypoof's nationality/ethnicity.
What is it with them? Attention seeking, perhaps. Felt wronged by life? That kinda thing.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Wait a minute. It's "knee jerk tribalism" to find Comrade Delta repugnant? Sorry, you're wrong.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh and, no, being of Irish heritage doesn't make you right wing.
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Auld tory treelover weighs in.
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The rise of the fashfinder general
toblerone3
Grrrrr
I don't know who he is and why he is supposed to be repugnant, but surely its stupid to refuse to read something when it has potentially good information. Which bit of his article did you find repugnant?
ska invita
back on the other side
Is because he's a rapist/abuser ... And then SWP leadership tried to brush it aside, cue lots of people leaving the SWP. It was worse than im describing it
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Google "Comrade Delta".
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
How it will help the tories is that it will become a lightening rod for the activist left, while they’re raging at Tommy they’re letting May off the hook over the NHS, housing and everything else that has a more direct impact on people’s lives (for now). I think this is why the tories liked UKIP too, go after class clown Farage and let nice Cameron and Osborne get on with filleting the state. It makes them look not so bad in comparison, but they have actual power and are using it against the public.
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ult-rot
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Well I didn't know that, but which bit of his article did you find repugnant? People read things and glean information from people who've done far worse.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The intentions?
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just the words
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
How long until some edgy BBC producer decides to have him on Question Time because it’ll be provocative and good for ratings?
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they invite you onto Question Time, mock you on social media and convince themselves you’ve lost...
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they invite you onto Question Time, mock you on social media and convince themselves you’ve lost...
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Well I take back the mudsling word "tribalist" but I not knowing anything about him I still found the article interesting. That is all.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That's the problem: he's trying to rehabilitate himself.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's trying to do a bit more than that. He's trying to reposition himself as the great anti fascist leader again, but this time as analyst rather than embarrassing running man in an ill fitting polo. A back seat driver string puller but, importantly still offering only uaf style approaches. He is actually working hand in hand with the comrades to stich up any responses So they come under their guidance again.
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after a dozen pints every word sounds like synedoche
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are you the poster formerly known as gabi?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Or bits of them do.
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d'ye sin then ducky etc
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I suppose that's why my stand up career never took off.
*Waits for people other than librarians to "like" my synecdoche gag*
*Waits for people other than librarians to "like" my synecdoche gag*
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That would certainly explain their bizarre posts on the cricket threads.
ska invita
back on the other side
i havent read it, i was just filling you in.
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have a pity like
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Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Ah good spot.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
A few things worth thinking about before attempting to evaluate Tommy Robinson's appeal (or not) to the working class.
Why are we talking about the working class in particular? A mass appeal amongst the middle classes would be of concern too. Certainly electorally. However, I would argue that we should be more concerned about the w/c because our movement(s) need to be built from, in, and by, the working class if we are to build an alternative to capitalism rather than push fpr reforms within it. Y'know. Marx and the proletariat and that. That's why the far-right building in the w/c is of specific interest to us.
We've already discussed the vacuum left by the retreat of the Left seemingly ad infinitum. The BNP vote and then the UKIP vote show that there's a sustained audience for the far-right to exploit. At the moment the absence of an electoral vehicle leaves the stage empty for someone new. Concerning as it is a few thousand bodies on demos and trending hashtags on social media (or whatever) are not at the same level. Yet. There's no reason to doubt that something, or someone will though.
Interesting to flip the situation and consider how we'd be feeling if Tommy Robinson was one of us. Would be we be happy with 10k on an A-B march and retweets? No. We wouldn't surely? We've put many x those numbers on the streets and nothing much has come of it. Tommy Robinson has a bit of a media profile but is far from a credible, unifying figure for the Right. Yet. Nor is he a household name. At least no more so than, say, Owen Jones is for us.
TL;DR It's all still to play for.
Why are we talking about the working class in particular? A mass appeal amongst the middle classes would be of concern too. Certainly electorally. However, I would argue that we should be more concerned about the w/c because our movement(s) need to be built from, in, and by, the working class if we are to build an alternative to capitalism rather than push fpr reforms within it. Y'know. Marx and the proletariat and that. That's why the far-right building in the w/c is of specific interest to us.
We've already discussed the vacuum left by the retreat of the Left seemingly ad infinitum. The BNP vote and then the UKIP vote show that there's a sustained audience for the far-right to exploit. At the moment the absence of an electoral vehicle leaves the stage empty for someone new. Concerning as it is a few thousand bodies on demos and trending hashtags on social media (or whatever) are not at the same level. Yet. There's no reason to doubt that something, or someone will though.
Interesting to flip the situation and consider how we'd be feeling if Tommy Robinson was one of us. Would be we be happy with 10k on an A-B march and retweets? No. We wouldn't surely? We've put many x those numbers on the streets and nothing much has come of it. Tommy Robinson has a bit of a media profile but is far from a credible, unifying figure for the Right. Yet. Nor is he a household name. At least no more so than, say, Owen Jones is for us.
TL;DR It's all still to play for.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Which reminds me, sadly, of this. A few who were seduced by Tommy's bs.
Large numbers of second generation Irish in far-right group, leader claims
I met a few Irish heritage people who bought into all that. But more Irish people who didn't.
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