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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

And thats a good question to ask on here. Wonder what the replies will be.

I'll bite.

What evidence is there that this is some exclusive, or even statistically significant, w/c attraction to this dickhead? Because I'm fairly pissed off with this assertion that it's only w/c people being drawn in by some racist twat. And it certainly shouldn't be framed as "the working class attracted to Robinson" as if the w/c are some homogenous whole, blindly fooled by this idiot when everyone else isn't.

That aside, isn't it always the case that some w/c people, in times of visibly increasing unfair distribution of wealth and opportunity, might look for easy answers. Might look for the latest folk devils (muslims, they're everywhere!) and moral panics (pedos..or even pedo's...they're everywhere!) to divert attention from the more boring and complex answers to what is really a problem with society (distribution of wealth/economic system)?
 
He’s now a household name and it’s because people are sharing his videos on social media. Nobody is saying that all the working class are attracted to him or even a majority but the worry is he isn’t being disregarded as a fringe loon like many on the far right (and left!) and is making progress in what is effectively the left’s constituency better than the left is.
I’d caution against the strategy of continued dismissal of it.
 
So should we just agree with each other, all the time?

This guy has quite a lot of support out there. Let’s find out why. This is supposed to be a fairly open forum. I completely disagree with her views but she’s entitled to them.
I think it's not just the views. She's not really interested in discussing anything, just being faux controversial and gamespersonship.
 
From what people have said so far they're using a sociological definition of class right when we're discussing this?
 
And thats a good question to ask on here. Wonder what the replies will be.
I think TR is a celeb, he fits the celeb worshipping wide boy bill. His colourful background, petty crime and hooliganism endears him to those that have similar w/c, less than "straight' backgrounds themselves. There is nothing new to see... The issues that we are all facing are systemic but yet again let's pretend that the only problems we have are imported through immigration... He's basically the adult equivalent of the shittest boy band ever..that adults are falling for his patter and self-promotion isn't unusual there is a lot of the rose tinted, soft spot for the monarchy, wannabe a kray-twin, up yours if you disagree, like a punch up but love my mum though attitude amongst us working class people, always had been.
 
Ok, well maybe it would make an interesting subject for another thread. Free speech on urban75 that is.

I'm very conscious of being shot down here and that in my opinion ain't a great thing in itself for a supposedly intelligent and open minded forum. And with that I'm off this thread.
Well, yes. Exactly.
Urban doesn't do very well with conversations with people who are opposed to our general beliefs. It all goes flaming torches and pitchforks pretty quickly, and nothing good comes out of it.
Even when its just someone playing devils advocate...

Its a shame, I guess. But I suppose thats the flip side of the positives of this place.
 
He's managed to create the back story that he was exposing the grooming gangs alone ten years ago.
 
Of course, and of course. But you do not understand as you've only been here two years the utter absurdity of using cheesypoof as a synecdoche for wider support tommy robinson and associated types may have developed and on what basis. You really do not. To do so would be counter-productive to the debate that you say that you want to have (and given your posts after brexit i'm not at all sure you want or are prepared for that debate).

He's been around longer than that. He had another log in previously but got perma banned.
 
And others. Like sonicdancer and his sudden reappearance, METHLAB also had very questionable views. Amongst others.

Methlabs views were all over the fucking place

as the maker of ambien said Racism is not a side effect of drug use

other forums have had people who were racist appear and be banned
and people who been around for a while who were then banned for being racist

saying the Drug forum brings it in is fucking odd seeming as it been almost dead for 3 years


Chessypoof has disappeared down the rabbit hole of the Right wing propaganda that been thrown about for the past few years



the fact she posted in the drugs forum has fuck all to do with it
 
Methlabs views were all over the fucking place

as the maker of ambien said Racism is not a side effect of drug use

other forums have had people who were racist appear and be banned
and people who been around for a while who were then banned for being racist

saying the Drug forum brings it in is fucking odd seeming as it been almost dead for 3 years


Chessypoof has disappeared down the rabbit hole of the Right wing propaganda that been thrown about for the past few years



the fact she posted in the drugs forum has fuck all to do with it

Of course not but for what is essentially a left/liberal hangout, the DF has always drawn in different clientele.
 
You didn’t post what I quoted?
I posted a range of ways that he appeals to the w/c..that you chose a few words/one aspect to misrepresent my opinion is pretty fucking boring still, after all these years....also I don't think I have ever used or wanted to use the description ''lumpen'. Again, you misrepresent my thinking.
 
these fuckers have been targetting ireland for a while with the alt right shit

I mean I'm not a racist but....what is it with all these Irish Catholic types - Steve Bannon, Stephen "Tommmeee" Lennon, Anne Marie Waters, Morrissey, Cheesypoof ? :hmm: ...the Alt-Rite ?
 
well to 3 of them it appears to be identifying as British *shrugs* also morrissey has always been a cunt


cheesypoof more than like taking the wrong turn whilst in recovery and lost in the 12 step bullshit

and Bannon not sure if aside from him supporting Kennedy he got much to do with ireland


saying that Ireland as i can say from my life time is a odd place which used to be somewhere you emigrated from not to
plus the social changes the loss of the power of the church and changes in the social acceptance of many issue in the last decades

its an easy target for these cunts to prey upon the lost white working class folks who think they have been left behind
 
I don't think they have won the 'argument'. Rather that depravity, bluster and misplaced pride can lead to loudmouth types having their 15 minutes. I don't expect it to really go anywhere. He has probably had whatever teeth or claws he had pulled out to some extent. We should be boisterous in our response, not worried/afraid. Courage of your convictions and all that.
 
The appeal of this case seems largely based on people who are allergic to looking beyond the surface of anything. It's just one instance of a major problem affecting political culture. I daresay it's always been there but the way discourse works in the 2nd decade of widespread internet use seems to be amplifying things.

The case also underlines the uniting of US and UK far right paranoia on the internet. It's backed by big money of course, and as far removed from the genuine interests of the working class as far-right politics ever were.

It's hard to balance assessment of Saturday's demo between complacency and semi-panic.

I dunno if it's just me, but I'd be slow to take up any refrain that the left must be to blame in some way. Not everything is our fault. Sometimes people are cunts or easily led entirely of their own volition. Of course the right and some others will blame the left. They blame the left for everything, and often plenty of others too...women, gays, jews, liberals, academics...
 
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