cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Start a thread, it would be an interesting conversation.
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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Start a thread, it would be an interesting conversation.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
And thats a good question to ask on here. Wonder what the replies will be.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Another question would be "are they?"
Are significant numbers of the w/c drawn to him?
What's the evidence for this?
I've seen little other than some third hand social media postings and a billboard in a farmer's field in the home counties.
I may of course have missed something.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I'll bite.
What evidence is there that this is some exclusive, or even statistically significant, w/c attraction to this dickhead? Because I'm fairly pissed off with this assertion that it's only w/c people being drawn in by some racist twat. And it certainly shouldn't be framed as "the working class attracted to Robinson" as if the w/c are some homogenous whole, blindly fooled by this idiot when everyone else isn't.
That aside, isn't it always the case that some w/c people, in times of visibly increasing unfair distribution of wealth and opportunity, might look for easy answers. Might look for the latest folk devils (muslims, they're everywhere!) and moral panics (pedos..or even pedo's...they're everywhere!) to divert attention from the more boring and complex answers to what is really a problem with society (distribution of wealth/economic system)?
He’s now a household name and it’s because people are sharing his videos on social media. Nobody is saying that all the working class are attracted to him or even a majority but the worry is he isn’t being disregarded as a fringe loon like many on the far right (and left!) and is making progress in what is effectively the left’s constituency better than the left is.
I’d caution against the strategy of continued dismissal of it.
I’d caution against the strategy of continued dismissal of it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think it's not just the views. She's not really interested in discussing anything, just being faux controversial and gamespersonship.
Treacle Toes
Time
I think TR is a celeb, he fits the celeb worshipping wide boy bill. His colourful background, petty crime and hooliganism endears him to those that have similar w/c, less than "straight' backgrounds themselves. There is nothing new to see... The issues that we are all facing are systemic but yet again let's pretend that the only problems we have are imported through immigration... He's basically the adult equivalent of the shittest boy band ever..that adults are falling for his patter and self-promotion isn't unusual there is a lot of the rose tinted, soft spot for the monarchy, wannabe a kray-twin, up yours if you disagree, like a punch up but love my mum though attitude amongst us working class people, always had been.
Me? I only use the Marxist definition.
joustmaster
offcumdun
Well, yes. Exactly.
Urban doesn't do very well with conversations with people who are opposed to our general beliefs. It all goes flaming torches and pitchforks pretty quickly, and nothing good comes out of it.
Even when its just someone playing devils advocate...
Its a shame, I guess. But I suppose thats the flip side of the positives of this place.
If you think his appeal is only to the lumpen you’re very very wrong.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
little harsh to blame the drugs forum for Cheesy poof dodgy view
and FFS i did not see that coming from her
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
He's been around longer than that. He had another log in previously but got perma banned.
Treacle Toes
Time
How about you engage with what I actually post or not at all.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
these fuckers have been targetting ireland for a while with the alt right shit
You didn’t post what I quoted?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Methlabs views were all over the fucking place
as the maker of ambien said Racism is not a side effect of drug use
other forums have had people who were racist appear and be banned
and people who been around for a while who were then banned for being racist
saying the Drug forum brings it in is fucking odd seeming as it been almost dead for 3 years
Chessypoof has disappeared down the rabbit hole of the Right wing propaganda that been thrown about for the past few years
the fact she posted in the drugs forum has fuck all to do with it
Treacle Toes
Time
I posted a range of ways that he appeals to the w/c..that you chose a few words/one aspect to misrepresent my opinion is pretty fucking boring still, after all these years....also I don't think I have ever used or wanted to use the description ''lumpen'. Again, you misrepresent my thinking.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
if she had posted that shit into the drug forum
she would of been pulled for it
anyways
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...the Alt-Rite ?No, 'ill fitting suits' though.
I was waiting for some in depth analysis then saw it was by Martin Smith, late, sort of, of the SWP, aka Comrade Delta, so no thanks.
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
well to 3 of them it appears to be identifying as British *shrugs* also morrissey has always been a cunt
cheesypoof more than like taking the wrong turn whilst in recovery and lost in the 12 step bullshit
and Bannon not sure if aside from him supporting Kennedy he got much to do with ireland
saying that Ireland as i can say from my life time is a odd place which used to be somewhere you emigrated from not to
plus the social changes the loss of the power of the church and changes in the social acceptance of many issue in the last decades
its an easy target for these cunts to prey upon the lost white working class folks who think they have been left behind
cheesypoof more than like taking the wrong turn whilst in recovery and lost in the 12 step bullshit
and Bannon not sure if aside from him supporting Kennedy he got much to do with ireland
saying that Ireland as i can say from my life time is a odd place which used to be somewhere you emigrated from not to
plus the social changes the loss of the power of the church and changes in the social acceptance of many issue in the last decades
its an easy target for these cunts to prey upon the lost white working class folks who think they have been left behind
Humberto
Relax
I don't think they have won the 'argument'. Rather that depravity, bluster and misplaced pride can lead to loudmouth types having their 15 minutes. I don't expect it to really go anywhere. He has probably had whatever teeth or claws he had pulled out to some extent. We should be boisterous in our response, not worried/afraid. Courage of your convictions and all that.
Despite the source....
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
The appeal of this case seems largely based on people who are allergic to looking beyond the surface of anything. It's just one instance of a major problem affecting political culture. I daresay it's always been there but the way discourse works in the 2nd decade of widespread internet use seems to be amplifying things.
The case also underlines the uniting of US and UK far right paranoia on the internet. It's backed by big money of course, and as far removed from the genuine interests of the working class as far-right politics ever were.
It's hard to balance assessment of Saturday's demo between complacency and semi-panic.
I dunno if it's just me, but I'd be slow to take up any refrain that the left must be to blame in some way. Not everything is our fault. Sometimes people are cunts or easily led entirely of their own volition. Of course the right and some others will blame the left. They blame the left for everything, and often plenty of others too...women, gays, jews, liberals, academics...
The case also underlines the uniting of US and UK far right paranoia on the internet. It's backed by big money of course, and as far removed from the genuine interests of the working class as far-right politics ever were.
It's hard to balance assessment of Saturday's demo between complacency and semi-panic.
I dunno if it's just me, but I'd be slow to take up any refrain that the left must be to blame in some way. Not everything is our fault. Sometimes people are cunts or easily led entirely of their own volition. Of course the right and some others will blame the left. They blame the left for everything, and often plenty of others too...women, gays, jews, liberals, academics...
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