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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

The key factors which make the current UK far right situation different to the EDL 5 or 6 years ago are the coming and departing of UKIPs electoral strategy (which achieved the primary aim of getting a Brexit vote), the flow of cash and support from the international new right and the social media power of their operations in lockstep with Putins troll farms.
you make it sound like there's no domestic money in the far right. which as anyone who's heard of the likes of jim dowson knows is wide of the mark. there is currently no far right / radical right party worth the name - you point out ukip's departure, but you might as well look at the bnp's absence too: although to be fair the bnp hasn't entirely gone away as britain first, the new british union, the yaxleyites and indeed the waterers can all attest.
 
there is currently no far right / radical right party worth the name - you point out ukip's departure...

The current centre of power in the Tory party is pretty much where UKIP was and they will probably risk riding the Windrush storm and go back to May's "hostile to immigration" ways pretty quickly when they realise there is support in trad Labour heartlands for it. Radical maybe not, but pretty far right from my perspective.
 
The current centre of power in the Tory party is pretty much where UKIP was and they will probably risk riding the Windrush storm and go back to May's "hostile to immigration" ways pretty quickly when they realise there is support in trad Labour heartlands for it. Radical maybe not, but pretty far right from my perspective.
they are very vulnerable to a ukip mark 2 or a new british national party, the demand remains out there but not the supply. the conservatives may be racist. they may be the nasty party. but they carry a lot of baggage with them. if a well-funded party with a vaguely charismatic leader emerged - and frankly this isn't impossible - it could have a great impact. where previous parties have fallen down have been on issues like a nazi past, on funding being pulled, on a lack of credible candidates, on their policies being stolen by a mainstream party... as we've seen with people like stephen yaxley-lennon and paul golding it's quite possible for in the first case an utterly unknown member of the bnp or, in the second, a former director of publicity and councillor to have an influence far greater than might have been expected. the demand's out there. is the supply?
 
Pickman’s:
Yes, there definitely is domestic money, and purely domestic/commercial aspects to the current far right surge. As far as Party is concerned, I am not sure how important that is in the Internet age - it is more about advancing an agenda as part of an international movement - a bit how the left operated for a long time - including the relationship of some of the left (and now some of the right) with foreign intelligence and “business” interests.
Dweller:
As far as the “fluffy” nature of the FBPE elements, that is as maybe - I think the aggressors would come from the other side. It would only take a tiny minority (and provocateurs?) on both sides to provide the agenda builders with their “money shots”...

Have to admit, still find it highly unlikely, but we live in the age of the unlikely, real life trolling, fake news and all....
 
they are very vulnerable to a ukip mark 2 or a new british national party, the demand remains out there but not the supply. the conservatives may be racist. they may be the nasty party. but they carry a lot of baggage with them. if a well-funded party with a vaguely charismatic leader emerged - and frankly this isn't impossible - it could have a great impact. where previous parties have fallen down have been on issues like a nazi past, on funding being pulled, on a lack of credible candidates, on their policies being stolen by a mainstream party... as we've seen with people like stephen yaxley-lennon and paul golding it's quite possible for in the first case an utterly unknown member of the bnp or, in the second, a former director of publicity and councillor to have an influence far greater than might have been expected. the demand's out there. is the supply?

I agree that charismatic leaders are somewhat lacking across the political spectrum. ("Oh, Jeremy Corbyn..." repeat ad nauseam being last summer's meme only I think). So it wouldn't take someone of great quality to look good against the rest. And such a movement would grow far quicker if they hijacked an existing mainstream party than if they started from scratch.
 
The current centre of power in the Tory party is pretty much where UKIP was and they will probably risk riding the Windrush storm and go back to May's "hostile to immigration" ways pretty quickly when they realise there is support in trad Labour heartlands for it. Radical maybe not, but pretty far right from my perspective.
This is what Thatcher did in the 1979 GE.
Robbed the NF of their clothing and put a respectable shiny gloss to it.
 
I just looked it up and seems its not illegal to do a nazi salute in this country (it is in germany sweden and a few others). Wonder what was he arrested for then that twat in the video above?
 
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