Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[Yossarian]

Defending twats was always kind of a theme but it used to be Pete Doherty instead of Tommy Robinson.

 

[twentythreedom]

Defending twats was always kind of a theme but it used to be Pete Doherty instead of Tommy Robinson.

The Milo and Ivanka stuff was the limit for many I think.

 

[Poi E]

They are amongst us!

Friends in Barnsley are looking helplessly on as TR's crowd (and worse) hoover up support in working class areas. The betrayal of the working class as exemplified by Rotherham etc has really hit home. Brexit? They couldn't really give a fuck. We deride those to whom TR appeals but don't seem to understand his broader appeal.

Jesus, it's like a fucking pincer movement with Eton fash and football fash coming together.

 

[Pickman's model]

They are amongst us!

Friends in Barnsley are looking helplessly on as TR's crowd (and worse) hoover up support in working class areas. The betrayal of the working class as exemplified by Rotherham etc has really hit home. Brexit? They couldn't really give a fuck. We deride those to whom TR appeals but don't seem to understand his broader appeal.

Jesus, it's like a fucking pincer movement with Eton fash and football fash coming together.

This is what years of vote Labour without illusions leads to

 

[phillm]

Can't be long before the inevitable Trump tweet appears .....

 

[Poi E]

I really shouldn't have started my day with this thread.

 

[Poi E]

This is what years of vote Labour without illusions leads to

Is an English National Party advocating independence a good way of picking up ex-Labour voters?

 

[phillm]

Yeah - we know that makes a more saleable picture though... There were definitely teenagers there, but what I mean is that there wasn't (IMO) specifically an age divide. Younger lads might have done it but plenty of older folk were very happy to mix it up with the police.

When it kicked off around Downing Street I was over the other side but people there were agreeing with the speakers who were saying to stop it. It didn't last for very long when I was there.

They haven't learnt the importance of all black and masks yet would offend their fash-ion sensibilities.....As his kinder ,gentler alter ego would say it's gonna be a long hot summer fron now on.

 

[danny la rouge]

I dread to hear the pro-Tommy views from friends and associates when I visit the UK

Cheesy is Irish, though.

"Pro-Tommy" views aren't limited to the UK. They appear to have been taken up by the internet alt right.

 

[Pickman's model]

They haven't learnt the importance of all black and masks yet would offend their fash-ion sensibilities.....As his kinder ,gentler alter ego would say it's gonna be a long hot summer fron now on.

Sadly unlikely to be like a summer with a thousand julys

 

[Pickman's model]

Cheesy is Irish, though.

"Pro-Tommy" views aren't limited to the UK. They appear to have been taken up by the internet alt right.

Didn't think she'd end up an architect of the resurrection tho

 

[krtek a houby]

Cheesy is Irish, though.

"Pro-Tommy" views aren't limited to the UK. They appear to have been taken up by the internet alt right.

True. I've seen it on Irish and Japanese sites. Sorry, didn't mean to single out the UK for the rise of alt right rubbish.

 

[danny la rouge]

Didn't think she'd end up an architect of the resurrection tho

The right in Ireland isn't all as niche as that, sad to say.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cheesy is Irish, though.

"Pro-Tommy" views aren't limited to the UK. They appear to have been taken up by the internet alt right.

i'm surprised the yaxleyites haven't turned to kipling

 

[Thimble Queen]

I found both her views and her debating style so much of an irritation that I stuck her on ignore a long time ago, so yes, it may be that I have a sanitised view of her antics. I'm not especially surprised or disappointed to see her cross this particular line, though. I expect it will be the sleeping pills, or something

Fair. I had her on ignore until this morning when I saw a poster commenting on a different thread she'd been banned and my nosey parker-ness got the better of me

 

[Pickman's model]

Fair. I had her on ignore until this morning when I saw a poster commenting on a different thread she'd been banned and my nosey parker-ness got the better of me

turned out nice again?

 

[mystic pyjamas]

History suggests movements such as this destroy themselves from within.
It happened with the NF and BNP as well as other various factions.
My concern though is that this current street organisation seems to be attracting more “middle of the road” types than on previous occasions.

 

[Pickman's model]

History suggests movements such as this destroy themselves from within.
It happened with the NF and BNP as well as other various factions.
My concern though is that this current street organisation seems to be attracting more “middle of the road” types than on previous occasions.

yeh. but that's street movements for you, some people like to walk on the right of the road, others prefer the middle.

 

[krtek a houby]

The right in Ireland isn't all as niche as that, sad to say.

Indeed, danny. I had to stop looking in on those sites as it was just utterly depressing. On a positive note, they do seem to be still in their infancy. Hopefully there will be no Tommy equivalents to grab headlines.

 

[not-bono-ever]

History suggests movements such as this destroy themselves from within.
It happened with the NF and BNP as well as other various factions.
My concern though is that this current street organisation seems to be attracting more “middle of the road” types than on previous occasions.

its attracting people who are fucked off and disillushioned by the UK political process& its self interest and the grinding shitiness of the system on their lives. I am as guilty of taking the piss as much as anyone, but to label this entire bloc as fash & racist isn't wholly useful & certainly not accurate ( not that this is a dig at anyone on here btw) . I am deeply concerned that the vacuum is being filled by seemingly well funded and halfway organised groups like this lot.

 

[LDC]

i'm surprised the yaxleyites haven't turned to kipling

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If they do it's ALL YOUR FAULT now!

 

[LDC]

Can't be long before the inevitable Trump tweet appears .....

OMFG, a little bit of me just died.

 

[danny la rouge]

Indeed, danny. I had to stop looking in on those sites as it was just utterly depressing. On a positive note, they do seem to be still in their infancy. Hopefully there will be no Tommy equivalents to grab headlines.

I'm not sure what's in its infancy. Ideas or current organisations? Far right ideas in Ireland, for example, go back to Eoin O'Duffy and beyond. And from that source infected the political mainstream in the republic.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure what's in its infancy. Ideas or current organisations? Far right ideas in Ireland, for example, go back to Eoin O'Duffy and beyond. And from that source infected the political mainstream in the republic.

yeh yeats had some rather peculiar ideas - look at his 'castle of heroes' notion which he spent much of the 1890s working on, and recruited support for his vision of a celtic magical order within the hermetic order of the golden dawn.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm not sure what's in its infancy. Ideas or current organisations? Far right ideas in Ireland, for example, go back to Eoin O'Duffy and beyond. And from that source infected the political mainstream in the republic.

In my time, there was an annoying person called Aine Ni Chonaill from Immigration Control Platform who told me that "working class people don't want to see Dublin become downtown Brixton or Lagos". I told her that was being patronising and smearing working class people. I also asked her if she'd ever been to either of the two places she spoke of in such a negative fashion. She hadn't.

As for EOD, good call. But that's back in the 30s again.

 

[danny la rouge]

As for EOD, good call. But that's back in the 30s again.

Sure, and I don't want to go on a massive off-topic detour, but my point was just that the ideas of the right didn't spring into being with Richard Spencer. And that Ireland's mainstream political milieu was from the beginning of the republic infected with blood and soil nationalism. Sadly, Yeats had more influence than Connolly, and although Dev outlawed the Blueshirts, politically he had more in common with O'Duffy than Connolly. The Blueshirts might have dissolved into FG (and my friends in Ireland still call FG "the Blueshirts"), but FF had just as much of a rightwing social and cultural base, and Dev built himself an adulation cult and positioned himself as a redemptive national leader above pluralist politics. The two main parties were therefore law-and-order-right or populist-right.

Not that this is related to an alt right influence in Ireland organisationally, which is why I asked the question "organisation or ideas? But there is much fertile soil (and blood) for it to take root in.

 

[ska invita]

, but to label this entire bloc as fash & racist isn't wholly useful & certainly not accurate ( not that this is a dig at anyone on here btw) .

All racist is accurate isn't it?
or is it a case of agreeing with "I'm not racist but...."

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

This is gonna be the next one. There is a remainers one planned for the same day.
Someone on twitter is saying that provocations are being planned.


"Credible intelligence suggests June 23rd is going to be a day of significant, engineered disorder in London, far-right relying on the police preparing soft response options due to previous peaceful marches on the remain side. Aim will be to provoke violence and muddy attribution."

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Defo looks like a provocation.
Patrick is preoccupied with Putin’s “alternative warfare” - so his interest in this probably links to Russian intel/RT propaganda/strategy of disruption. Certainly people should “follow the money”.
If it did kick off on the day between the FBPE crowd and the Alt-Right it would serve the persecution and “coming conflict/showdown” narrative of both as well as the aforementioned Putinist/Duginist strategy of disruption. It might also serve as pretext for UK security services and establishment to begin openly preparing for a crackdown that would serve their interests in preparation for March 2019.

The key factors which make the current UK far right situation different to the EDL 5 or 6 years ago are the coming and departing of UKIPs electoral strategy (which achieved the primary aim of getting a Brexit vote), the flow of cash and support from the international new right and the social media power of their operations in lockstep with Putins troll farms.

 

[AverageJoe]

Cant see that big a turn out for the 23rd as its a Saturday with 3 World Cup matches on it - would have thought (naively perhaps) that this crowd would prefer an all day session watching the football... plus England are playing on the 24th, so who would want to go up on the Sat, cause a bit of hoo haa, get banged up overnight, have to deal with Sunday trains and miss the opportunity cheer on Ingerlaaaand with their shirts off?

 

[dweller]

Defo looks like a provocation.
Patrick is preoccupied with Putin’s “alternative warfare” - so his interest in this probably links to Russian intel/RT propaganda/strategy of disruption. Certainly people should “follow the money”.
If it did kick off on the day between the FBPE crowd and the Alt-Right it would serve the persecution and “coming conflict/showdown” narrative of both as well as the aforementioned Putinist/Duginist strategy of disruption. It might also serve as pretext for UK security services and establishment to begin openly preparing for a crackdown that would serve their interests in preparation for March 2019.

The key factors which make the current UK far right situation different to the EDL 5 or 6 years ago are the coming and departing of UKIPs electoral strategy (which achieved the primary aim of getting a Brexit vote), the flow of cash and support from the international new right and the social media power of their operations in lockstep with Putins troll farms.

Interesting.
Having been to the last few Remain marches I have never seen such a soft bunch of "down with that sort of thing" non-violent protesters.
It would have to be quite a plan to turn the visuals into them smashing things up and fighting the police and the fash.