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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

Pickman's model said:
Yeh tell them how in your plan building FLAF comes after 3 very big steps iyo. That'll impress them.

One (former) poster thought that having a pop at the fash in Tower hamlets was just to do with finding them and twatting them and led a load of inexperienced people to glorious arrest iirc. The same man thought it a great idea to charge through police lines in Croydon leading er to another daft nicking. This was someone who at the time had two or three years being involved in anti-fascist activity.
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I think he was being sarcastic.
 
The closest that I saw that antis got to the tommyists was by the BBC when the former were diverted towards the official counter-protesting point, after a while of trying to get towards the latter via side roads. At that point there was a subset of tommyists that went absolutely apeshit, stuff was flying at the cops and batons were out, but it really was only a subset - maybe a hundred. I looped round to the side and most of the attendees were not in that group. (There was a wedding party in the Langham hotel between the two who were a bit confused.)

It's the stuff that happened afterwards that I think is the most worrying - attacking motorists like I mentioned, harassing people like TopCat mentioned. This is social intimidation and the cops do nothing about it (I've seen them "negotiate" between yellow vesters and motorists when the former have just stopped the latter screaming at them). This is central London so it's not like there's a specific community to intimidate but it sets a precedent for what they feel they can do.
 
Pickman's model said:
Yeh tell them how in your plan building FLAF comes after 3 very big steps iyo. That'll impress them.

One (former) poster thought that having a pop at the fash in Tower hamlets was just to do with finding them and twatting them and led a load of inexperienced people to glorious arrest iirc. The same man thought it a great idea to charge through police lines in Croydon leading er to another daft nicking. This was someone who at the time had two or three years being involved in anti-fascist activity.
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I think you'll find that they'll be quite happy with what I suggested. Good steering group with some ex AFA/IWCA on board and loads of new blood.
 
The39thStep said:
I think you'll find that they'll be quite happy with what I suggested. Good steering group with some ex AFA/IWCA on board and loads of new blood.
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Yeh. Who wouldn't be happy with what you suggested as a means, working class physical opposition to fascism, and a vehicle, flaf? But none of that's small steps and your placing the flaf fourth without previously mentioning them didn't suggest you didn't see their activity as of great importance. I'm glad you've changed your mind clarified your position.
 
Pickman's model said:
Yeh. Who wouldn't be happy with what you suggested as a means, working class physical opposition to fascism, and a vehicle, flaf? But none of that's small steps and your placing the flaf fourth without previously mentioning them didn't suggest you didn't see their activity as of great importance. I'm glad you've changed your mind clarified your position.
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Did he say those steps should happen sequentially? And are necessarily connected?
 
The39thStep said:
You think thats a problem?
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i remember being with afa looking for fash around a bloody sunday march about 20, 22 years ago, chasing them from pub to pub but always missing them by a few minutes: so, yes, it can be a problem.

the number of fash you see on the streets are by no means the same as the total number out, as there will be fascists in pubs or wandering the streets nearby - their spotters etc. rather than choosing to confront the opposition on a ground of their or the police's choosing, surely it would be a better idea to discuss matters with them at a place of your own choosing? not to mention that it's one thing to whack some drunken goons but quite another to put the fear of god into the really disciplined fash.

a couple of small steps i'd suggest - proper small steps, a few bits of tactical learning - would involve using the expertise there is from the ex-afa, ex-ra people to train up spotters and researchers so that it's not only when the opposition are out that you know what they're up to but where they're up to it, between times. the best thing for this used to be the auld bnp website where they'd post pictures of the pubs they met in until some wanker at harry's place posted up about how they'd identified where some fash were drinking and before you could say 'master race my arse' all those pictures disappeared and were never seen again. - so, people who find out interesting things shouldn't share publicly on the interweb where those interesting things came from.
 
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It doesn't look like they had many out, around 1k sounds about right.



From watching the Ruptly livestream it was clear they don't really have any real leadership on the streets. There was one point when Danny Tommo stopped them from marching towards the LAFA bloc, which was heading towards Oxford Circus, and another when Richard Inman managed to stop a mob from Millbanking the BBC, but other than that they seemed to be pretty chaotic. There were reports of small groups moving around autonomously but not a lot seems to have happened. The 'Tommy movement' is definitely in decline, although as the row with the cops outside the All Bar One showed, the remnants have a capacity for violence. Had the police not stopped that mob from attacking the SUTR counter-protest it looks like they would have steamed through it when they tried to attack.
 
The RUPTLY cameras were right in there in both groups. I obviously listened and they picked up lots of the police commanding their people. Plus I can lip read a fair bit. Was fascinating observing the police operation.
The police only looked bothered by the flag pole cordon. Otherwise they had it in hand, if the goal was to keep both sides apart. They did less to protect the gen public from roaming Tommeh supporters.
Seeing the latter, spread out in busy Southbank crowds, gleefully shouting Allah is a paedo at any brown person was a sickner. Not much cctv down there should they ever use the same route in future.
 
jimmer said:
It doesn't look like they had many out, around 1k sounds about right.



From watching the Ruptly livestream it was clear they don't really have any real leadership on the streets. There was one point when Danny Tommo stopped them from marching towards the LAFA bloc, which was heading towards Oxford Circus, and another when Richard Inman managed to stop a mob from Millbanking the BBC, but other than that they seemed to be pretty chaotic. There were reports of small groups moving around autonomously but not a lot seems to have happened. The 'Tommy movement' is definitely in decline, although as the row with the cops outside the All Bar One showed, the remnants have a capacity for violence. Had the police not stopped that mob from attacking the SUTR counter-protest it looks like they would have steamed through it when they tried to attack.
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Small up for it groups roaming around chaotically would be regarded as a success by us, so why not them?
 
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Small up for it groups wandering clueless around for us would be the sign of defeat. Is that what it looks line in the gyms - mirroring them, No politics?
 
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