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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

there has long been unsubstantiated info about him dealing coke and using EDL and his non-salon to launder cash, no solid evidence tho but it's not very surprising.
It usually doesn't take long for his followers to get pissed off with him as he fauns over those donating large sums rather than 10 bob shit-thick acolytes.

I took this leaked video as as close to substantiation that he does a lot of gak as I need.

Far-right Tommy Robinson declares himself a ‘Zionist’ in leaked video

Does he not have a possession conviction, as well?

Tommy Robinson (activist) - Wikipedia

Yes, yes he does.
 
Where did she say pacifically that the donations were spent on coke? Just that there was a lot of coke snorting going on.. big fucking whoop!! We've all seen the Gideon photos
So... the money Tommy receives through donations is ring-fenced for good causes and all the cocaine consumed by him and his entourage is funded by the revenue from a few sunbeds. Bless.
 
Isn't he under fairly close scrutiny by the police & other interested state operators though ? I can't see why they would be in any way indulgent towards SYL-TR being involved or connected to activities along those lines ( no pun intended )
 
I think he's more of an avid consumer than a supplier. People seemed happy to buy his sob stories and conspiracies, no need to risk dealing class A drugs.
 
He's a dealer who samples his own stash, or he certainly has been in the past if he isn't when he's at liberty now
It wouldn't surprise me if he had been in the more distant past. But with the amount of donations and paid gigs he had rolling in in the more recent past, he could have stayed almost* legit and still been able to support his own habit, as well as his lackeys'.

*if only he could have stopped attention-seeking near courtrooms.
 
Isn't he under fairly close scrutiny by the police & other interested state operators though ? I can't see why they would be in any way indulgent towards SYL-TR being involved or connected to activities along those lines ( no pun intended )
Oh, I can. If he's being watched at that sort of level, then I'd not be at all surprised if someone hasn't made the decision to ensure that he absolutely has as much rope as he needs to hang himself.
 
Worth remembering that the Free Tommy stuff last year was quite heavily funded and organised - there were stages, big screens, speakers, lots of orgs involved. Doesn't seem to be the case this time.
 
Worth remembering that the Free Tommy stuff last year was quite heavily funded and organised - there were stages, big screens, speakers, lots of orgs involved. Doesn't seem to be the case this time.

Also there was loads pro-tommy shit all over social media and various hi-vis gobshites like morrisey, hopkins and trump taking up his cause.
All there's been this time has been his drug induced paranoia fueled plea for asylum and the story about him getting decked by a pensioner for trying and failing to be the big shot.
Neither of which are good looks for a self styled martyr/political prisoner.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if he had been in the more distant past. But with the amount of donations and paid gigs he had rolling in in the more recent past, he could have stayed almost* legit and still been able to support his own habit, as well as his lackeys'.

*if only he could have stopped attention-seeking near courtrooms.
This would make a lot of sense, I've heard stories from people which would suggest this was the case. There's also a particularly lurid story on an anonymous blog somewhere which purports to explain what SYL was up to when he developed his hatred of Muslims.

The video of Lucy Brown claiming SYL might have been spending his supporters money on chang needs to be seen in the context of split within the 'Tommy movement' over Israel/Jews. There's been a few things which have caused it and it stems from SYL losing Brown, Robertson and LLewlyn-John as his 'team' and replacing them with Daniel Thomas and Avi Yemini, which means there are no longer people within SYL's immediate circle who have sympathies for white nationalism and Zionism is far more important for them than it was even last year, although SYL has of course always been on the Zionist side of this split within the counter-jihad movement.

There's two incidents which people on the Nazi side of the split are citing as reasons for their break with SYL. One is him crowd funding large sums of money to make a documentary about Muslim grooming gangs. Apparently supporters were expecting it to be released soon but it appears to have been canned or is delayed. At one of the protests outside the Old Bailey he announced a new documentary called 'Shalom' which is due to come out soon and is about an elderly Jewish man who moves to Israel from the UK because of anti-Semitism from Muslims (supposedly). The other incident is long term SYL associate Shazia Hobbs being forced out of the TR.News editorial team after writing an anti-Semitic article for the website about the Frankfurt School (and presumably cultural Marxism). Hobbs has recently become quite chummy with former BNP youth leader Mark Collett.

The Nazi side of the split appears to be led by Collett who has been organising a number of what seem to be fairly competent young white nationalists. Collett was recently the subject of a hit piece video released by TR.News which was released to hit back at his side after Brown's revelations. Collett's got a fairly large following on Twitter and YouTube (and has been very careful about not breaching the rules of both) and has been using this to push his politics. He's also been organising a series of IRL events, such as runs, camping trips in the Peak District and drinks in pubs. It was on one of the camping trips on the Peak District that Brown was photographed wearing a Sonnenrad necklace while walking along the Mam Tor ridge. These trips appear to have grown in size, with Collett claiming 38 people were on the last one.

Among those 38 were former Conservative council candidate Darren Harrison from Watford, who seems to be going full Nazi, as well as his fellow 'Defend Europa' writer Laura Towler. On one of Collett's weekly YouTube shows before the whole 'Tommy movement split' happened, Collett and Towler revealed they are encouraging other white nationalists to join them in conducting a survey in white working class areas, asking people who they feel about 'being demographically replaced', which they'll be releasing a film of themselves doing titled 'We Were Never Asked'. This is fairly sophisticated propaganda for their movement and appears to be intended to get this new generation of activists familiar with going into white working class communities and talking to people, something which the BNP was fairly effective at in the past but the far-right has struggled with over the past decade.

At the moment Collett is organising a conference for this scene which will be held in the Manchester area in September. Tickets are £50 a pop which gets you a two-course meal and the opportunity to listen to a handful of speakers, capacity is capped at 100 and apparently at least half of the tickets have already gone. I would really not be surprised to see people around Collett attempt to launch a BNP 2.0 at some point in the near future. Collett was seen as a potential leader for such a party, which it looked like the Forum network was hoping to launch before it fell apart, but maybe has enough sense to realise he's too discredited to lead such an organisation himself. Irrespective of that, while SYL is in prison, it looks like Collett is making a bid for hegemony on the far-right and is trying to damage SYL as much as he can. I'd be surprised if he won this battle and imagine SYL will still be a key figure on the far-right when he is released, but his era of dominance on the British far-right appears to be on the wane.
 
re: under police supervision. in 2010 (?) he was nicked on the way to a Scottish demo and taken back to Sheffield. it was rumoured but unsubstantiated that SB lent on him for info on soccer ruffians who were planning on going to some Euro/World Cup tournament altho what the deal was i don't know.
He is highly visible, been arrested many times and it is likely he will have some sort of relationship with plod, especially given the amount of psycho bomber types and sex offenders who gravitate towards him.
Then the trips to Israel, links with various alt-shite orgs in Europe etc., and the crazies who come out of there.
He has many contacts and much info on them.
this is just what i think, but i don't want to get all conspiracy crazy on it.
 
Worth remembering that the Free Tommy stuff last year was quite heavily funded and organised - there were stages, big screens, speakers, lots of orgs involved. Doesn't seem to be the case this time.
Thats a good point about the money. The MEF donation may have been a one off and with UKIPs demise ( they hosted the original MEF/ TR meting) there doesnt seem to be the same level of backing. Danny Tommo despite his plea for unity has fallen out with a whole number of fringe groups like the DFLA , who's leadership tbf had an independent line on TR, Tracey Blackwells YellowVests etc.The remergence of Richard Inman doesnt seem to have brought out much veteran support. Danny Tommo was even trying to make contact with biker groups However there isnt a lot to call on outside of the cult of Tommy these groups are very small and dont bring any real numbers or wider forces. The Manchester demo ended up with non entity speakers representing absolutley no one like Dylan Cresswell and Dave Sumner.
This would make a lot of sense, I've heard stories from people which would suggest this was the case. There's also a particularly lurid story on an anonymous blog somewhere which purports to explain what SYL was up to when he developed his hatred of Muslims.

The video of Lucy Brown claiming SYL might have been spending his supporters money on chang needs to be seen in the context of split within the 'Tommy movement' over Israel/Jews. There's been a few things which have caused it and it stems from SYL losing Brown, Robertson and LLewlyn-John as his 'team' and replacing them with Daniel Thomas and Avi Yemini, which means there are no longer people within SYL's immediate circle who have sympathies for white nationalism and Zionism is far more important for them than it was even last year, although SYL has of course always been on the Zionist side of this split within the counter-jihad movement.

There's two incidents which people on the Nazi side of the split are citing as reasons for their break with SYL. One is him crowd funding large sums of money to make a documentary about Muslim grooming gangs. Apparently supporters were expecting it to be released soon but it appears to have been canned or is delayed. At one of the protests outside the Old Bailey he announced a new documentary called 'Shalom' which is due to come out soon and is about an elderly Jewish man who moves to Israel from the UK because of anti-Semitism from Muslims (supposedly). The other incident is long term SYL associate Shazia Hobbs being forced out of the TR.News editorial team after writing an anti-Semitic article for the website about the Frankfurt School (and presumably cultural Marxism). Hobbs has recently become quite chummy with former BNP youth leader Mark Collett.

The Nazi side of the split appears to be led by Collett who has been organising a number of what seem to be fairly competent young white nationalists. Collett was recently the subject of a hit piece video released by TR.News which was released to hit back at his side after Brown's revelations. Collett's got a fairly large following on Twitter and YouTube (and has been very careful about not breaching the rules of both) and has been using this to push his politics. He's also been organising a series of IRL events, such as runs, camping trips in the Peak District and drinks in pubs. It was on one of the camping trips on the Peak District that Brown was photographed wearing a Sonnenrad necklace while walking along the Mam Tor ridge. These trips appear to have grown in size, with Collett claiming 38 people were on the last one.

Among those 38 were former Conservative council candidate Darren Harrison from Watford, who seems to be going full Nazi, as well as his fellow 'Defend Europa' writer Laura Towler. On one of Collett's weekly YouTube shows before the whole 'Tommy movement split' happened, Collett and Towler revealed they are encouraging other white nationalists to join them in conducting a survey in white working class areas, asking people who they feel about 'being demographically replaced', which they'll be releasing a film of themselves doing titled 'We Were Never Asked'. This is fairly sophisticated propaganda for their movement and appears to be intended to get this new generation of activists familiar with going into white working class communities and talking to people, something which the BNP was fairly effective at in the past but the far-right has struggled with over the past decade.

At the moment Collett is organising a conference for this scene which will be held in the Manchester area in September. Tickets are £50 a pop which gets you a two-course meal and the opportunity to listen to a handful of speakers, capacity is capped at 100 and apparently at least half of the tickets have already gone. I would really not be surprised to see people around Collett attempt to launch a BNP 2.0 at some point in the near future. Collett was seen as a potential leader for such a party, which it looked like the Forum network was hoping to launch before it fell apart, but maybe has enough sense to realise he's too discredited to lead such an organisation himself. Irrespective of that, while SYL is in prison, it looks like Collett is making a bid for hegemony on the far-right and is trying to damage SYL as much as he can. I'd be surprised if he won this battle and imagine SYL will still be a key figure on the far-right when he is released, but his era of dominance on the British far-right appears to be on the wane.
The most significant part of the Lucy Brown video for me was when she said that didnt see civic nationalism ( or indeed TR) as the future direction as she thought ethnicity was more important ie racial nationalism. This fits in with the Colettt direction. Not sure how much potential that actually has tbh.
 
On the one hand it's good that TR is not getting support. On the other hand it's concerning if this is because the ones with the money don't think he's a big enough nazi - I'm not sure that TR will chase that, though he's certainly pretty flexible, but I expect they are looking for someone who _is_.
 
I'm not sure if the money has dried up this time around, although I'd have thought a lot was spent on the MEP electoral campaign and opposing the court case so there may not be as much floating about. I think a more significant things in term of limiting numbers are the change in team and social media crackdowns, the two Hope Not Hate operatives and Brown had the experience of organising the 'Day for Freedom' with SYL shortly before he was jailed and links with a number of key alt-right figures, so they just needed to roll all of that into the next two protests and keep it moving. By changing the personnel around him SYL has lost that experience and now has people who're more interested in replacing him as a content creator than organising street protests (Tommo notably couldn't even successfully organise a kidnapping, Yemini has been in Australia dealing with his domestic violence court case).

The social media crackdown has dramatically limited SYL's audience, he had 1 million+ Facebook followers last time around and that channel was used to promote the 'Free Tommy' protests. As far as I can tell nobody on the alt-right with similar reach has been promoting the upcoming protests (which is another example of Tommo's incompetence). Because of the social media crackdown most of the far-right are now using Telegram (badly). The number of people in the main Telegram channels for the 'Tommy movement' is significantly lower than the number of Facebook followers he once had, there's only 50k people in the biggest (and a large chunk of that will be anti-fascists). Plus all of the smaller channels and group chats have been engulfed in the feud with the Nazis I mentioned above, conflict like that within a movement can really alienate people just by creating a toxic atmosphere.

The most significant part of the Lucy Brown video for me was when she said that didnt see civic nationalism ( or indeed TR) as the future direction as she thought ethnicity was more important ie racial nationalism. This fits in with the Collett direction. Not sure how much potential that actually has tbh.
Brown's been on a slightly surprising trajectory since she was booted out of SYL's camp at the 'Day for Freedom', she had appeared to be one of the more liberal members of SYL's circle (having formerly been involved in Sister's Uncut and the SWP's BLM front). But she was close friends with Michael Brooks (who described himself as "14 and 88") who has presumably dragged her to the right and appeared to be involved with Tom Dupre (who quit Generation Identity supposedly over a key figure's Nazi links and then started up a podcast named after a minor BNP functionary lauded as a influential thinker).

Only a few months after being booted out of SYL's circle she ended up on one of Collett's camping trips (presumably through Dupre) where she seems to have become close to Collett and Colin Robertson (aka Millenial Woes). Those two appear to be effectively grooming her into becoming a white nationalist which has been kind of disturbing to watch. Brown appeared on Collett's weekly YouTube show a couple of months ago where she was ambushed by the hosts into clarifying if she's gone full Nazi and then had a breakdown and told viewers she was Jewish. That led to Robertson going on her YouTube channel to get her to clarify that she didn't have a firm position on the "Jewish Question" was open to being educated about the topic!

After Brown's revelation about SYL's chang habit she deleted all her social media accounts, I'd expect she'll either reappear in the future as a full on white nationalist after her grooming is complete and Collett/Robertson decide they can roll her out as a propagandist, or she'll walk away from politics and try to get a normal life back. As for the potential racial nationalism has, over a million people will vote for it and a party advocating it came close to taking control of a couple of councils.
 
I'm not sure if the money has dried up this time around, although I'd have thought a lot was spent on the MEP electoral campaign and opposing the court case so there may not be as much floating about. I think a more significant things in term of limiting numbers are the change in team and social media crackdowns, the two Hope Not Hate operatives and Brown had the experience of organising the 'Day for Freedom' with SYL shortly before he was jailed and links with a number of key alt-right figures, so they just needed to roll all of that into the next two protests and keep it moving. By changing the personnel around him SYL has lost that experience and now has people who're more interested in replacing him as a content creator than organising street protests (Tommo notably couldn't even successfully organise a kidnapping, Yemini has been in Australia dealing with his domestic violence court case).

The social media crackdown has dramatically limited SYL's audience, he had 1 million+ Facebook followers last time around and that channel was used to promote the 'Free Tommy' protests. As far as I can tell nobody on the alt-right with similar reach has been promoting the upcoming protests (which is another example of Tommo's incompetence). Because of the social media crackdown most of the far-right are now using Telegram (badly). The number of people in the main Telegram channels for the 'Tommy movement' is significantly lower than the number of Facebook followers he once had, there's only 50k people in the biggest (and a large chunk of that will be anti-fascists). Plus all of the smaller channels and group chats have been engulfed in the feud with the Nazis I mentioned above, conflict like that within a movement can really alienate people just by creating a toxic atmosphere.


Brown's been on a slightly surprising trajectory since she was booted out of SYL's camp at the 'Day for Freedom', she had appeared to be one of the more liberal members of SYL's circle (having formerly been involved in Sister's Uncut and the SWP's BLM front). But she was close friends with Michael Brooks (who described himself as "14 and 88") who has presumably dragged her to the right and appeared to be involved with Tom Dupre (who quit Generation Identity supposedly over a key figure's Nazi links and then started up a podcast named after a minor BNP functionary lauded as a influential thinker).

Only a few months after being booted out of SYL's circle she ended up on one of Collett's camping trips (presumably through Dupre) where she seems to have become close to Collett and Colin Robertson (aka Millenial Woes). Those two appear to be effectively grooming her into becoming a white nationalist which has been kind of disturbing to watch. Brown appeared on Collett's weekly YouTube show a couple of months ago where she was ambushed by the hosts into clarifying if she's gone full Nazi and then had a breakdown and told viewers she was Jewish. That led to Robertson going on her YouTube channel to get her to clarify that she didn't have a firm position on the "Jewish Question" was open to being educated about the topic!

After Brown's revelation about SYL's chang habit she deleted all her social media accounts, I'd expect she'll either reappear in the future as a full on white nationalist after her grooming is complete and Collett/Robertson decide they can roll her out as a propagandist, or she'll walk away from politics and try to get a normal life back. As for the potential racial nationalism has, over a million people will vote for it and a party advocating it came close to taking control of a couple of councils.
Some interesting points but I think the problem for the racial nationalists is they have to compete in what is a crowded and small market not only against civic nationalists / For Britain/ Gen Id but that their anti semitism looks very dated and vulnerable now. Of course they could disguise it but its key to them and its will always bubble to the surface.
With Brown its a question of income rather than her politics which will help shape her future I think. Btw despite her CV claims about Sisters Uncut/BLM did anyone who was in those groups actually ever come across her at the time?
 
This would make a lot of sense, I've heard stories from people which would suggest this was the case. There's also a particularly lurid story on an anonymous blog somewhere which purports to explain what SYL was up to when he developed his hatred of Muslims.

The video of Lucy Brown claiming SYL might have been spending his supporters money on chang needs to be seen in the context of split within the 'Tommy movement' over Israel/Jews. There's been a few things which have caused it and it stems from SYL losing Brown, Robertson and LLewlyn-John as his 'team' and replacing them with Daniel Thomas and Avi Yemini, which means there are no longer people within SYL's immediate circle who have sympathies for white nationalism and Zionism is far more important for them than it was even last year, although SYL has of course always been on the Zionist side of this split within the counter-jihad movement.

There's two incidents which people on the Nazi side of the split are citing as reasons for their break with SYL. One is him crowd funding large sums of money to make a documentary about Muslim grooming gangs. Apparently supporters were expecting it to be released soon but it appears to have been canned or is delayed. At one of the protests outside the Old Bailey he announced a new documentary called 'Shalom' which is due to come out soon and is about an elderly Jewish man who moves to Israel from the UK because of anti-Semitism from Muslims (supposedly). The other incident is long term SYL associate Shazia Hobbs being forced out of the TR.News editorial team after writing an anti-Semitic article for the website about the Frankfurt School (and presumably cultural Marxism). Hobbs has recently become quite chummy with former BNP youth leader Mark Collett.

The Nazi side of the split appears to be led by Collett who has been organising a number of what seem to be fairly competent young white nationalists. Collett was recently the subject of a hit piece video released by TR.News which was released to hit back at his side after Brown's revelations. Collett's got a fairly large following on Twitter and YouTube (and has been very careful about not breaching the rules of both) and has been using this to push his politics. He's also been organising a series of IRL events, such as runs, camping trips in the Peak District and drinks in pubs. It was on one of the camping trips on the Peak District that Brown was photographed wearing a Sonnenrad necklace while walking along the Mam Tor ridge. These trips appear to have grown in size, with Collett claiming 38 people were on the last one.

Among those 38 were former Conservative council candidate Darren Harrison from Watford, who seems to be going full Nazi, as well as his fellow 'Defend Europa' writer Laura Towler. On one of Collett's weekly YouTube shows before the whole 'Tommy movement split' happened, Collett and Towler revealed they are encouraging other white nationalists to join them in conducting a survey in white working class areas, asking people who they feel about 'being demographically replaced', which they'll be releasing a film of themselves doing titled 'We Were Never Asked'. This is fairly sophisticated propaganda for their movement and appears to be intended to get this new generation of activists familiar with going into white working class communities and talking to people, something which the BNP was fairly effective at in the past but the far-right has struggled with over the past decade.

At the moment Collett is organising a conference for this scene which will be held in the Manchester area in September. Tickets are £50 a pop which gets you a two-course meal and the opportunity to listen to a handful of speakers, capacity is capped at 100 and apparently at least half of the tickets have already gone. I would really not be surprised to see people around Collett attempt to launch a BNP 2.0 at some point in the near future. Collett was seen as a potential leader for such a party, which it looked like the Forum network was hoping to launch before it fell apart, but maybe has enough sense to realise he's too discredited to lead such an organisation himself. Irrespective of that, while SYL is in prison, it looks like Collett is making a bid for hegemony on the far-right and is trying to damage SYL as much as he can. I'd be surprised if he won this battle and imagine SYL will still be a key figure on the far-right when he is released, but his era of dominance on the British far-right appears to be on the wane.
Didn't Collet make a complete arse of himself a while back? I recollect the name and wincing at some thing he did?
 
Some interesting points but I think the problem for the racial nationalists is they have to compete in what is a crowded and small market not only against civic nationalists / For Britain/ Gen Id but that their anti semitism looks very dated and vulnerable now. Of course they could disguise it but its key to them and its will always bubble to the surface.
With Brown its a question of income rather than her politics which will help shape her future I think. Btw despite her CV claims about Sisters Uncut/BLM did anyone who was in those groups actually ever come across her at the time?
Yeah, civic nationalists are always going to be more successful than racial nationalists in Britain. If a British fascism ever emerges I'd say it'll be from the 'Broom Army', Great British Bake-Off viewing types, rather than the people campaigning for white nationalism. I just can't see any of the civic nationalists on the current far-right being that successful though.

For Britain are barely functioning as a political party, Generation Identity is a foreign import which was never going to work. The Tories and Brexit Party are essentially undercutting any support a civic nationalist far-right party could build. Importantly, none of these parties or organisations are trying to do the community organising the BNP once did, if white nationalists adopted that kind of practice again I could see them having similar successes, potentially even greater ones given the way they've now adapted to the internet.

Yeah I think that was it. Did he weep and stuff? Something about sex with Griffin?
He was in tears, there was a video of it on YouTube until very recently. I imagine he got it taken down. I'm not sure if there's anything about his alleged bisexuality in the public domain.
 
Yeah, civic nationalists are always going to be more successful than racial nationalists in Britain. If a British fascism ever emerges I'd say it'll be from the 'Broom Army', Great British Bake-Off viewing types, rather than the people campaigning for white nationalism. I just can't see any of the civic nationalists on the current far-right being that successful though.

For Britain are barely functioning as a political party, Generation Identity is a foreign import which was never going to work. The Tories and Brexit Party are essentially undercutting any support a civic nationalist far-right party could build. Importantly, none of these parties or organisations are trying to do the community organising the BNP once did, if white nationalists adopted that kind of practice again I could see them having similar successes, potentially even greater ones given the way they've now adapted to the internet.


He was in tears, there was a video of it on YouTube until very recently. I imagine he got it taken down. I'm not sure if there's anything about his alleged bisexuality in the public domain.

Of course the left could always adopt community organising in vulnerable areas?
 
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