Theresa May's time is up

[brogdale]

Sorry brogdale "have to be" on what basis? LP members pushing that line?

Well, ultimately yes; it'll be conference (or a special) that will determine how they counter the new tory leadership's position. And that tory position will, in part, be formed on the basis of them coming 20+% behind Farage on Sunday.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, ultimately yes; it'll be conference (or a special) that will determine how they counter the new tory leadership's position. And that tory position will, in part, be formed on the basis of them coming 20+% behind Farage on Sunday.

most sane people would say 'now's the time to differentiate ourselves from farage' rather than 'let's make ourselves like farage'

 

[brogdale]

most sane people would say 'now's the time to differentiate ourselves from farage' rather than 'let's make ourselves like farage'

Tories; sane?

 

[Pickman's model]

Tories; sane?

let's see which way they go and then we'll be able to determine that

 

[brogdale]

let's see which way they go and then we'll be able to determine that

If it's contested, that'll be in the hands of the membership; the barking 100,000 nasties.

 

[Pickman's model]

If it's contested, that'll be in the hands of the membership; the barking 100,000 nasties.

by the time of the contest it will be the barking 98,000

 

[Mr Moose]

The inspiring vision of.... a second referendum.

Just imagine how inspiring that would be.

Well that's my guess but I wanted Moose to justify himself.

I’m not big on a second referendum at all, think Remain would lose, so stuff that up your Lexity pipe and do what you will.

All I mean is that Labour has warned of no deal Brexit being a disaster. If a no deal happens it has to come out with a positive plan and get off the fence on one side or the other. Either it says ‘we can make this work, here’s how’ or it says ‘we need to stop this, here’s how’.

Either way it has to convince when Brexiteers will be ebullient.

 

[redsquirrel]

That says absolutely nothing. And ignores the fact that Labour has been running (or at least trying to) a positive, "inspiring" message since before the 2017 GE.

 

[brogdale]

Cracking.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[Serge Forward]

Boo fucking hoo... my country... waaaaaa....

 

[Mr Moose]

That says absolutely nothing. And ignores the fact that Labour has been running (or at least trying to) a positive, "inspiring" message since before the 2017 GE.

Well they better keep it going.

What do you think happens once Brexit it delivered? Do you think it’s like 1945, the war is over and the people demand more?

 

[eatmorecheese]

Cracking.

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No tears for Windrush. Or Grenfell. Just her fucking wheat field fantasy.

Fuck her.

 

[Mr Moose]

Boo fucking hoo... my country... waaaaaa....

She’s just crying for herself. It’s pathetic.

She was flinty enough to stare down a room full of coppers. Show some fucking backbone now.

 

[brogdale]

The set grows...

 

[Mr Moose]

That says absolutely nothing. And ignores the fact that Labour has been running (or at least trying to) a positive, "inspiring" message since before the 2017 GE.

...And it’s been running anything but a positive message about any other outcome than a customs union.

 

[redsquirrel]

Well they better keep it going.

What do you think happens once Brexit it delivered? Do you think it’s like 1945, the war is over and the people demand more?

I don't see how that is relevant to the issue under discussion. But I am highly sceptical that the UK will leave the EU.

Electorally it is not in Labour's interest to take a strong Remain position. Now that does not mean that there are not political arguments for taking such a position (I don't agree with them but I accept they exist) but it is total intellectual dishonesty when those that have argued that for electoralism (to which end the LP must support privatisation, attacks on workers/disabled etc) turn around and now insist that the LP back a second referendum or revoke A50. And yes I include you in this category, you've spent years arguing Corbyn should be gone in the name of electoralism. You should now be backing the current Labour line.

EDIT: Whatever else it is this is positive.

 

[friedaweed]

So it's definitely looking like the finale to Brexit is going to be as shit as Game Of Frowns.

Cercie's fallen on her sword now it's time for...

Tyrion Cannister

Branflake Starkers

or

Lizz Truss

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't see how that is relevant to the issue under discussion. But I am highly sceptical that the UK will leave the EU.

Electorally it is not in Labour's interest to take a strong Remain position. Now that does not mean that there are not political arguments for taking such a position (I don't agree with them but I accept they exist) but it is total intellectual dishonesty when those that have argued that for electoralism (to which end the LP must support privatisation, attacks on workers/disabled etc) turn around and now insist that the LP back a second referendum or revoke A50. And yes I include you in this category, you've spent years arguing Corbyn should be gone in the name of electoralism.

Ridiculous leap to suggest changing leader must mean you support every disgusting thing going. I bet you were saying this same bollocks about Ed. That’s the kind of high ground capture you excel in.

I’ve certainly been equivocal about Corbyn, wasn’t convinced, success convinced me, equivocal again. But in any case a movement has to be stronger than one flawed individual. There will be a time when even you will agree Labour could/should do better.

But in any case I’m not generally in favour of a second referendum, think the leadership has played Brexit well so far, so far inasmuch as this shitshow can be played. But the game will change.

 

[Pickman's model]

think the leadership has played Brexit well so far

 

[Pickman's model]

if ever there was a head asking for a guillotine that is it

 

[Steel Icarus]

Just showed my daughter the last few seconds of May's speech. "Prime Minister - more like CRY Minister" she said. And then flicked the Vs at the PC. Obviously I gave her a biscuit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Lizz Truss

isn't that penny mordaunt?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just showed my daughter the last few seconds of May's speech. "Prime Minister - more like CRY Minister" she said. And then flicked the Vs at the PC. Obviously I gave her a biscuit.

one of the nice biscuits i hope

 

[brogdale]

...and grows...

 

[Steel Icarus]

one of the nice biscuits i hope

Oh aye. Jack's Oaties. Like HobNobs, but just as nice and half the price

 

[8115]

Mirror website: Don't cry for me, cruel Theresa. Vg.

Basically, fuckety bye. Only bad thing is the next c*** will probably be even worse.

 

[redsquirrel]

Ridiculous leap to suggest changing leader must mean you support every disgusting thing going. I bet you were saying this same bollocks about Ed. That’s the kind of high ground capture you excel in.

Not when the change in leadership you've been arguing for for 4 years is based around a move rightwards. Not when you are arguing this New Labour tosh.

If you are going to argue for actions on the basis of electoralism fine, but then have the intellectual honesty to be consistent with the consequences of that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh aye. Jack's Oaties. Like HobNobs, but just as nice and half the price

tescos do a very nice own-brand chocolate biscuit available in milk

or dark chocolate, and at 79p a go quite reasonably priced

 

[Sasaferrato]

Those of you of a Labour persuasion, you have caused this fucking train wreck. If that revolting cunt Corbyn had done what he should have, and supported May we wouldn't be looking at Johnston and no deal.

Fuck you all. You will get the shitstorm you deserve.