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This doesn't apply just to England. That was to grab your attention. The question i'm interested in is why 'the left' is so backward looking. When the Bolsheviks staged their coup in 1917, when Spanish anarchists seized control of Barcelona in 1936, when Castro launched his rebellion in Cuba, they weren't overly concerned about previous attempts at overthrowing the existing order, though they were aware of them. They were interested in the future. What they could do, what was possible. How to reconfigure society, change the present and the future.
I know we have to learn from the past, realise our mistakes etc, but it strikes me that we spend almost too much time doing that. Analyzing Kronstadt, reviewing the Spanish Civil War. I do all that myself. But should we be surprised that not many people are listening, or not hard enough to react positively?
 
This doesn't apply just to England. That was to grab your attention. The question i'm interested in is why 'the left' is so backward looking. When the Bolsheviks staged their coup in 1917, when Spanish anarchists seized control of Barcelona in 1936, when Castro launched his rebellion in Cuba, they weren't overly concerned about previous attempts at overthrowing the existing order, though they were aware of them. They were interested in the future. What they could do, what was possible. How to reconfigure society, change the present and the future.
I know we have to learn from the past, realise our mistakes etc, but it strikes me that we spend almost too much time doing that. Analyzing Kronstadt, reviewing the Spanish Civil War. I do all that myself. But should we be surprised that not many people are listening, or not hard enough to react positively?
If you look at the Bolsheviks I think you'll find they paid great attention to the French Revolution and felt its progress would be echoed in their own experience
 
If you look at the Bolsheviks I think you'll find they paid great attention to the French Revolution and felt its progress would be echoed in their own experience
I'm sure you are right, but it didn't figure that much in their propaganda. Without putting them down in any way, your average RussIan peasant or worker knew nothing about the French Revolution at all. I can guarantee (can't prove it) that knowledge of the French Revolution amongst the Russian masses had no bearing on the October Revolution whatsoever.
 
I'm sure you are right, but it didn't figure that much in their propaganda. Without putting them down in any way, your average RussIan peasant or worker knew nothing about the French Revolution at all. I can guarantee (can't prove it) that knowledge of the French Revolution amongst the Russian masses had no bearing on the October Revolution whatsoever.
Lenin et al gave them enough terror
 
'The Left' is fucked. They're too busy trying to outleft each other to actually do anything of worth.
It's hard to actually achieve anything when 90+% of your time is spent arguing over the finer points of Kafka.
 
This doesn't apply just to England. That was to grab your attention. The question i'm interested in is why 'the left' is so backward looking. When the Bolsheviks staged their coup in 1917, when Spanish anarchists seized control of Barcelona in 1936, when Castro launched his rebellion in Cuba, they weren't overly concerned about previous attempts at overthrowing the existing order, though they were aware of them. They were interested in the future. What they could do, what was possible. How to reconfigure society, change the present and the future.
I know we have to learn from the past, realise our mistakes etc, but it strikes me that we spend almost too much time doing that. Analyzing Kronstadt, reviewing the Spanish Civil War. I do all that myself. But should we be surprised that not many people are listening, or not hard enough to react positively?
Human thought is structured by meta-narrative. histography is an attempt by humans to understand a series of events which we experience both as ideologically recited in our texts and also as a series of signifiers in cultural production. Meta-narrative is necessary to comprehend a disparate series of events and contradicting information into a cohesive unified narrative that allows us to recall history outside of a schizoid and unordered recollection of details with no meaning that often contradict eachother.

Meta-narratives allow us to understand not only history but ourselves as individuals and political and moral actors within a context of a society. Afterall, without narrative history is simply some words on a piece of paper. I could give you a copy of Infinite Jest and call it a history of england and without some sort of mechanism to determine otherwise (an idea of what england is, some notion of truth, some method of filtering out what is/is not likely "true" in absence of being able to determine it by ones self absent external stimulation, an idea that this filter should determine what can provide details on a subject or not, ect) you would simply have to concede that the book I gave you was in fact infinite jest.

History allows us to not only understand that there was time before our sentient existences where people lived in this would, but that they acted and created the society that you live in and that how you as a result are expected to act as a historical subject.

There are of course many meta-narratives. "Materialist understanding of history" as a framework for a marxist political project of class struggle, the eternal re-occurance of the degeneracy creating hard men who create good times who create degenerates who create bad times who create hard men a la spengler, liberal "modernization theory" that as liberal institutions and capitalism become predominate, they remove violence and instability in a society thus creating some sense of historical progress not to a utopia but away from despotism and poverty. ect

But meta-narratives have to be constructed and to be constructed they not only need ideology but also raw material. As the wonderful professor Alec Ryrie of Gresham college points out in his brilliant series of lectures, an atrocity is almost never defined as such because of its death tool or brutality but because of it's utility in being remember as a political event. Recollection establishes identity, what one's grunges are, what one's forefathers celebrated and disdained.

History, or the the recollection of history, also has an intrinsically teleological function. As one looks back at history one can not help to think what could have done better and as a result by understanding history one is being remolded as a political actor. Of course the way one consumes history is molded by the context that one lives in which was formed by prior events (which ironically enough, are likely a quite different thing than "history" since even if you assume that what you know of history is accurate, there is no way that your knowledge isn't selective in terms of what your history books recall and what they forget). As a result there is a process by which one looks to a version of the past, molded by an actual past which is unknowable, and as a result further history is made but the history of the future is contingent on that unknowable past. Divine providence I suppose.

To answer your question more specifically the left recalls history in the context of it's organizations because it gives them identity through the conflicts they study and which sides they take.

Not necessarily a bad thing as it gives these organizations a cohesion which is something that the new social democratic movement that we see emerging will never have.

But the problem with this recollection of history is that these socialist organizations only recall the events that give them their identity and cohesion and the ones which form their friend/enemy distinction. These are important components of what creates a successful organization but they are insufficient insofar that they are at a scale which doesn't give practical lessons to the current socialist left.

I.E they are studying socialists who took political positions in the context of commanding mass parties which captured significant seats in parliaments and in some contexts armies. And of course any serious socialist should aspire to become that but as we simply have a few organizations whose only organizational function is to reproduce themselves and to recall their own historiography you very rarely get any serious study of how the organizations they look back on actually grew to their size or more importantly how more contemporary political campaigns and organizations succeed.

Because for the type of history that these organizations study to be relevant they need to also understand the nitty gritty of how organizations function. Because simply put almost no socialist organization has an institutional memory of how to successfully organize since most of them are multiple generations removed from when the worker's movement became its long decline. If you live in the United States we are even at the point where even our trade unions don't have the institutional memory of how to unionize as demonstrated by the humiliating defeat at Bessemer.

So to answer your question, the problem is not that these organizations are dedicated to understanding history, it is rather that they are dedicated to regurgitating their stories and reproducing their organizations to live another day. Mostly by intervening in whatever fashionable protest movement exists that according to marxist.com is apparently another herald to the inevitable revolution and will surely get us a few more dues paying members.

Yawn

What would really be quite valuable is a disciplined and dedicated cadre of socialists dedicated not to protest hopping or to recalling the broad strokes of lenin's polemics, but to the scientific study of politics, political intervention, campaigns organizations that succeed and ones that fail, and how do a small group of socialists become a larger one.

One won't get that from activist cliques or old sects nor from the infinite cesspit of meme sharing clout sharks on social media. But perhaps a dedicated network of socialists can cohere to study these questions in seriousness.
 
Well said.. globalisation, technology and the internet, climate change and the ongoing pandemic has brought us to a very unknown now. Any future dreams would need to be rooted in shared community, consent and cohesion as well as sustainability.. it's very much unwritten but with very strong external factors.
 
"Infinite cesspit of meme sharing clout sharks" - I like that.

There's two things which i think also contribute to our 'backwardness'.

Firstly, we are now so much more aware of the size and complexity of the world and all its problems. The scale of the challenge now seems so much greater. Where radical movements have achieved some degree of success in recent decades they have gained much of their impetus from very localised long-standing grievances. I'm thinking here particularly of the Zapatistas and (whatever your criticisms) Rojava. Wider awareness of e.g. women's oppression has been built on top of earlier injustices relating to language and culture.

Secondly there is a general mental paralysis brought about by the impending doom of global warming. Classical Marxism has had little interaction with ecological thought and ideas, and Anarchism has been more receptive (IMO) but still treating the environment as a secondary issue.
 
"Infinite cesspit of meme sharing clout sharks" - I like that.

There's two things which i think also contribute to our 'backwardness'.

Firstly, we are now so much more aware of the size and complexity of the world and all its problems. The scale of the challenge now seems so much greater. Where radical movements have achieved some degree of success in recent decades they have gained much of their impetus from very localised long-standing grievances. I'm thinking here particularly of the Zapatistas and (whatever your criticisms) Rojava. Wider awareness of e.g. women's oppression has been built on top of earlier injustices relating to language and culture.

Secondly there is a general mental paralysis brought about by the impending doom of global warming. Classical Marxism has had little interaction with ecological thought and ideas, and Anarchism has been more receptive (IMO) but still treating the environment as a secondary issue.
Ha thanks. Don't get me wrong I think social media propaganda can be useful but the way it's done these days is quite useless. I'm thinking of the facebook groups and meme pages of what we called "leftbook" circa 2013 to 2016 where these were used by some of the new organizations that cropped up to promote their agitation and political work and as a result drew people in.

Now a days most meme sharers are completly de-centralized, disconnected from on the ground efforts and often the meme sharks are counter productive, softly discouraging their floak to seek further political education and integration into mass movements and politics.

And I do agree that there should be study of these movements. Although sometimes a sort of methodological third-worldism can also be a slight hindrance. It's good to understand these movements but also it can be a crutch the same way fetishizing lenin's polemics can be. I.E they might not give much in terms of practical info which can be used for day to day organizing.

It'd be valuable to study contemporary unionization efforts and tenant organizing along with some stuff from the "basebuilding" trend from both marxist center network in the usa and from the old build caucus in the dsa. There's other things that fall out of this niche as well. It'd probably be good to learn how to make a workers-cooperative not for the idea that it can upend capitalism but because having a business front can be useful for being able to afford a physical office space and meeting space. Plus since being involved in unionization efforts and the socialist left can cost people their jobs it would greatly help political militancy to give people employment if their employment is terminated due to their agitation. Much more useful in developing political militancy than say, yet another millenarian article on a socialist website.

And again there are other things I haven't meantioned that should be studied. For example local adovcacy around public transit around "bus rider unions" and yes I'd say the american civil rights movement and other sucessful civil rights movements. And successful organizing projects that came out of the radical working class trend in feminism. I know I'm not being comprehensive but I'm the first one to admit that my knowledge isn't comprehensive enough to propose a complete research project. I do hope that other comrades can contribute to useful ideas to do inquiry around.
 
Ha thanks. Don't get me wrong I think social media propaganda can be useful but the way it's done these days is quite useless. I'm thinking of the facebook groups and meme pages of what we called "leftbook" circa 2013 to 2016 where these were used by some of the new organizations that cropped up to promote their agitation and political work and as a result drew people in.

Now a days most meme sharers are completly de-centralized, disconnected from on the ground efforts and often the meme sharks are counter productive, softly discouraging their floak to seek further political education and integration into mass movements and politics.

And I do agree that there should be study of these movements. Although sometimes a sort of methodological third-worldism can also be a slight hindrance. It's good to understand these movements but also it can be a crutch the same way fetishizing lenin's polemics can be. I.E they might not give much in terms of practical info which can be used for day to day organizing.

It'd be valuable to study contemporary unionization efforts and tenant organizing along with some stuff from the "basebuilding" trend from both marxist center network in the usa and from the old build caucus in the dsa. There's other things that fall out of this niche as well. It'd probably be good to learn how to make a workers-cooperative not for the idea that it can upend capitalism but because having a business front can be useful for being able to afford a physical office space and meeting space. Plus since being involved in unionization efforts and the socialist left can cost people their jobs it would greatly help political militancy to give people employment if their employment is terminated due to their agitation. Much more useful in developing political militancy than say, yet another millenarian article on a socialist website.

And again there are other things I haven't meantioned that should be studied. For example local adovcacy around public transit around "bus rider unions" and yes I'd say the american civil rights movement and other sucessful civil rights movements. And successful organizing projects that came out of the radical working class trend in feminism. I know I'm not being comprehensive but I'm the first one to admit that my knowledge isn't comprehensive enough to propose a complete research project. I do hope that other comrades can contribute to useful ideas to do inquiry around.
If the us civil rights movement was so successful it's perplexing that those rights keep being eroded by eg voter suppression, not to mention the ways in which African Americans keep getting killed by cops with only very rare proceedings taken against the killers. And on and on on other issues eg the greater temperatures in areas of cities where black people live etc etc. If that's an example of a successful civil rights campaign a failed one must be bloody indeed
 
The Bolshevik Party failed. A party full of people committed to the betterment of the masses seized power and failed. And they were not latte-sipping mediocrities. They spent time in gaol or exile, committed themselves to the cause to an extent none of us ever have or will do. We can explain this away by pointing to weaknesses of theory or ideology. But getting some things wrong, which is to be expected, is not the same as turning into the opposite of what you claim to be. Maybe doing the least harm is the best we can do, and politically we have to reconcile ourselves to this.
 
The Bolshevik Party failed. A party full of people committed to the betterment of the masses seized power and failed. And they were not latte-sipping mediocrities. They spent time in gaol or exile, committed themselves to the cause to an extent none of us ever have or will do. We can explain this away by pointing to weaknesses of theory or ideology. But getting some things wrong, which is to be expected, is not the same as turning into the opposite of what you claim to be. Maybe doing the least harm is the best we can do, and politically we have to reconcile ourselves to this.
Well personally I don't call shooting and working-to-death striking workers and persecuting and killing other socialists and communists 'being committed to the betterment of the masses'. Aswell as being murderous totalitarian shits, the leadership of the Bolsheviks also spread the idea of the working class 'only being able to reach trade union consciousness'. Such a classist belief had dire consequences in places like the USSR and continues to pollute the left to this day.

If the Bolsheviks were to succeed in helping to create a better society they should have tried supporting and strengthening the organs workers' self organisation, instead of crushing them. But the Bolsheviks only wanted to' succeed' in wielding and holding on to power for it's own sake. They created a vast , highly repressive and murderous bureaucratic police state and gulag system. Just another repressive ruling class to replace the Tsar and the government and pave the way for the paranoid, sadistic nightmare that was Stalin's tyranny.
 
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Well personally I don't call shooting and working-to-death striking workers and persecuting and killing other socialists and communists 'being committed to the betterment of the masses'. Aswell as being murderous totalitarian shits, the leadership of the Bolsheviks also spread the idea of the working class 'only being able to reach trade union consciousness'. Such a classist belief had dire consequences in places like the USSR and continues to pollute the left to this day.

This is kind of my point. They dedicated their lives to the overthrow of a tyrannical ruler, and then became tyrannical rulers themselves. I don't think saying they were always evil helps us to understand anything.
 
What is the left-wing vision for the world?

Post-WW2 the left Christian vision withered. Post-Cold War the Marxist vision also withered. Now all we have is the dead end of identity politics.

For me the answer has to lie in reinforcing people's rights and introducing greater security into housing, employment, benefits - these form the overwhelming majority of issues that come to the pro bono centre that I advise at in Waterloo.

I don't think it would be too difficult to build a left-wing popular program on that basis, provided that you drove out all the identity politics. It's interesting - that would be a thoroughly unglamorous approach, so much so in fact that that alone - the fact that it wouldn't provide consultants with a livelihood - might make it too hard to get through somewhere like the Labour party.
 
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