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The Wire comes to BBC2 (Spoiler free, please)

Some of you Wire fans might be interested in this video, which was taken yesterday at the Paley Center in New York City.

It's basically a one hour and twenty minute panel discussion, with David Simon and producer Nina Noble, as well as Wendell Pierce (Bunk), Sonja Sohn (Kima), Michael Kenneth Williams (Omar), Seth Gilliam (Carver), Jim True-Frost (Presbo), John Doman (Rawls), Lawrence Gilliard Jr (DeAngelo), and Jamie Hector (Marlo). It's a lot of fun, and offers nice insights into the production.
 
Sounds good *bookmarks*
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Hmm, it looks like you have to sign into Yahoo to view the video, because it contains mature content. I was signed in through my Firefox browser because i play Fantasy Football in Yahoo. When i tried to view in Chrome, it asked me to sign in.

Unfortunately, the Paley Center only seems to make its videos available through Yahoo.
 
Yeah I got it now. 1h20m though and I'm already sleepy. Reckon I'll save this for background listening at work
 
HD 16:9 versions coming out at christmas and David Simon has misgivings

The Wire was at its inception a bit of shoestring affair and expectations for the drama at HBO were certainly modest. Filming in letter-box was more expensive at the time, and we were told, despite Bob’s earnest appeals, that we should shoot the pilot and the ensuing season in 4:3.

At which point, Bob set about to work with 4:3 as the given. And while we were filming in 35mm and could have ostensibly “protected” ourselves by adopting wider shot composition in the event of some future change of heart by HBO, the problem with doing so is obvious: If you compose a shot for a wider 16:9 screen, then you are, by definition, failing to optimize the composition of the 4:3 image. Choose to serve one construct and at times you must impair the other.

Because we knew the show would be broadcast in 4:3, Bob chose to maximize the storytelling within that construct. As full wide shots in 4:3 rendered protagonists smaller, they couldn’t be sustained for quite as long as in a feature film, but neither did we go running too quickly to close-ups as a consequence. Instead, mid-shots became an essential weapon for Bob, and on those rare occasions when he was obliged to leave the set, he would remind me to ensure that the director covered scenes with mid-sized shots that allowed us to effectively keep the story in the wider world, and to resist playing too much of the story in close shots.

Similarly, Bob further embraced the 4:3 limitation by favoring gentle camera movements and a combination of track shots and hand-held work, implying a documentarian construct. If we weren’t going to be panoramic and omniscient in 4:3, then we were going to approach scenes with a camera that was intelligent and observant, but intimate. Crane shots didn’t often help, and anticipating a movement or a line of dialogue often revealed the filmmaking artifice. Better to have the camera react and acquire, coming late on a line now and then. Better to have the camera in the flow of a housing-project courtyard or squad room, calling less attention to itself as it nonetheless acquired the tale.

In the beginning, we tried to protect for letterbox, but by the end of the second season, our eyes were focused on the story that could be told using 4:3, and we composed our shots to maximize a film style that suggested not the vistas of feature cinematography, but the capture and delicacy of documentarian camerawork. We got fancy at points, and whatever rules we had, we broke them now and again; sometimes the results were a delight, sometimes less so. But by and large, Bob had shaped a template that worked for the dystopian universe of The Wire, a world in which the environment was formidable and constricting, and the field of vision for so many of our characters was limited and even contradictory.

Bob Colesberry died during surgery while we were prepping season three of the drama. A short time later, HBO came to us with news that the world was going to HD and 16:9, as Bob had anticipated. We could, if we wanted, film the remaining seasons of The Wire in HD and widescreen. But at that point a collective decision then was made to complete the project using the template that we had honed, the construct that we felt we had used to good effect to make the story feel more stolen than shaped, and to imply a more journalistic rendering of Baltimore than a filmic one.

Just as important, we had conceived of The Wire as a single story that could stand on its own across the five seasons. To deliver the first two seasons in one template and then to switch-up and provide the remaining seasons in another format would undercut our purpose tremendously, simply by calling attention to the manipulation of the form itself. The whole story would become less real, and more obviously, a film that was suddenly being delivered in an altered aesthetic state. And story, to us, is more important than aesthetics.

We stayed put and honored what we had already created. As I believe Bob would have, at that late point, stayed put.

* * *

And now comes HBO with the opportunity to deliver the story to a new audience.

To their great credit, once we alerted HBO production executives to our absolute interest in the matter, they halted the fall HD release and allowed us to engage in detail. And over the past several months, looking at some of what the widescreen format offered, three things became entirely clear: First, there were many scenes in which the shot composition is not impaired by the transfer to 16:9, and there are a notable number of scenes that acquire real benefit from playing wide. An example of a scene that benefits would be, say, from the final episode of season two, when an apostolic semicircle of longshoremen forms around the body of Frank Sobotka. Fine as far as it goes, but the dockworkers are all that much more vulnerable, and that much more isolated by the death of their leader when we have the ability to go wider in that rare crane shot.

But there are other scenes, composed for 4:3, that lose some of their purpose and power, to be sure. An early example that caught my eye is a scene from the pilot episode, carefully composed by Bob, in which Wee Bey delivers to D’Angelo a homily on established Barksdale crew tactics. “Don’t talk in the car,” D’Angelo reluctantly offers to Wee Bey, who stands below a neon sign that declares, “burgers” while D’Angelo, less certain in his standing and performance within the gang, stands beneath a neon label of “chicken.”

That shot composition was purposed, and clever, and it works better in the 4:3 version than when the screen is suddenly widened to pick up additional neon to the left of Bey. In such a case, the new aspect ratio’s ability to acquire more of the world actually detracts from the intention of the scene and the composition of the shot. For that reason, we elected in the new version to go tighter on the shot in order to maintain some of the previous composition, albeit while coming closer to our backlit characters than the scene requires. It is, indeed, an arguable trade-off, but one that reveals the cost of taking something made in one construct and recasting it for another format. And this scene isn’t unique; there are a good number of similar losses in the transfer, as could be expected.

More fundamentally, there were still, upon our review, a good hundred or so scenes in which the widening revealed sync problems with actors who would otherwise have remained offscreen, or even the presence of crew or film equipment. These scenes, still evident in the version that HBO originally intended to broadcast several months ago, required redress. The high-definition transfer also made things such as Bubbles’ dental work, or certain computer-generated images vulnerable; other stuff held up pretty well in the transfer.

At the last, I’m satisfied what while this new version of The Wire is not, in some specific ways, the film we first made, it has sufficient merit to exist as an alternate version. There are scenes that clearly improve in HD and in the widescreen format. But there are things that are not improved. And even with our best resizing, touchups and maneuver, there are some things that are simply not as good. That’s the inevitability: This new version, after all, exists in an aspect ratio that simply wasn’t intended or serviced by the filmmakers at the moment that that camera was rolling and the shot was being framed.

http://davidsimon.com/the-wire-in-hd/
 
That's too long to read but i don't understand how it would be better in a fancier format.

Bascialy 4:3 v 16:9

When the Wire was shot on 4:3 most people didn't have widescreen tvs. It was the old fashioned tv you grew up.

Over the life of the Wire 16:9 became norm.

Now when making the new high def version HBO want to make full HD 16:9, the problem being the framing the shooting of the Wire was always envisioned as 4:3 show as was shot as such. the paragraph that sums this up

But there are other scenes, composed for 4:3, that lose some of their purpose and power, to be sure. An early example that caught my eye is a scene from the pilot episode, carefully composed by Bob, in which Wee Bey delivers to D’Angelo a homily on established Barksdale crew tactics. “Don’t talk in the car,” D’Angelo reluctantly offers to Wee Bey, who stands below a neon sign that declares, “burgers” while D’Angelo, less certain in his standing and performance within the gang, stands beneath a neon label of “chicken.”

It's basically the old Pan & Scan (where in films shot in widescreen/panavision etc like Ben Hur/Lawrence of Arabia) and when they made the version you saw on telly at christmas where in you lost 50 to 75% of the image that was in the cinema version. But in the Wire's case it's in reverse, HBO are changing shots that were carefully composed 4:3 shots to 16:9 because people expect everything to be 16:9 now.
 
That's all just nerdiness though. No one outside the industry gives a shit. They saw the tv series already. No need for fancy nerdiness.
 
That's all just nerdiness though. No one outside the industry gives a shit. They saw the tv series already. No need for fancy nerdiness.

It's not just nerdiness. It goes to show the level of passion and detail that goes into crafting a tv show. I watched the Wire when it 1st came out and never notice that it was 4:3 and I'm pretty nerdy. I'm just impressed that nearly 8 years later David Simon can explain why he's worried about the aspect ratio change.
 
Because if they released HD 4:3 versions they're be two massive black bars vertically on their shiny HD tv blue rays and people would be confused.
Only simpletons. I think you'll find that most (all) 4:3 programmes are released in their original format. The ST: TNG BDs are in 4:3. What's the difference?

A lot of people want their productions in the format that were intended to be viewed in, hence the success of Widescreen VHSs when they were first released in the late '80s.
 
Only simpletons. I think you'll find that most (all) 4:3 programmes are released in their original format. The ST: TNG BDs are in 4:3. What's the difference?

A lot of people want their productions in the format that were intended to be viewed in, hence the success of Widescreen VHSs when they were first released in the late '80s.

Talk to HBO then, they wanted to release The Wire as 16:9 HD, when it was originally transfered at 4:3 SD.

Fuck did I do.
 
Just downloaded the remastered HD versions of Seasons 1-5 (from the usual places), it really does look fantastic, almost like watching it for the first time again :cool:

Think I may do a full rewatch as it's been a year or so since the last viewing.
 
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