The Virgin Mary
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And what do you think?
He could be mistaken, or his words misrepresented.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Opinions are still quite contrary
bcuster
Well-Known Member
This is old, but on point
Mad or God? A senior psychiatrist on the mental health of Jesus
Have you ever heard anyone impatiently dismiss Jesus and all he said and did with 'of course, he was mad or at least seriously mentally disturbed'?
...convinced that Jesus had the healthiest mind, but also attracted by his glorious character.
It's more likely that he was mad, misunderstood, misrepresented or bad than that he was the incarnation of the fundamental principle of all creation, a fully human being that is also an omnipotent timeless deity, two separate natures in one person, who sentences himself to a painful death to redeem a punishment that he himself ordered.This is old, but on point
Mad or God? A senior psychiatrist on the mental health of Jesus
Have you ever heard anyone impatiently dismiss Jesus and all he said and did with 'of course, he was mad or at least seriously mentally disturbed'?www.christiantoday.com
...convinced that Jesus had the healthiest mind, but also attracted by his glorious character.
I doubt very much that Jesus would recognise the teachings of his immediate followers after his death, nevermind Paul or the Gospel writers nevermind the proto orthodox nevermind the modern Catholic Church.
He was probably an apocalyptic Jewish rabbi who thought the end was near. And if he thought that he was wrong because it wasn't.
He was probably an apocalyptic Jewish rabbi who thought the end was near. And if he thought that he was wrong because it wasn't.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Yes, he said that the end would be coming within the lifetime of his disciples.
Just one of his mistakes.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Is there no room for nuance?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Could he have been a charismatic bullshitter with complicated motives, some of them righteous and some self-serving?
You know, a human being?
You know, a human being?
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
There's really no way of knowing what the historical Jesus believed.
Going by the evidence -- which is dubious enough -- it seems likely that there was someone charismatic whose take on Jewish law was more liberal than that prevailing in his time. And he was punished for this.
Whether anything he's supposed to have said or done actually took place is as likely as any rumour.
Going by the evidence -- which is dubious enough -- it seems likely that there was someone charismatic whose take on Jewish law was more liberal than that prevailing in his time. And he was punished for this.
Whether anything he's supposed to have said or done actually took place is as likely as any rumour.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
From the hands of Saint Luke
medium.com
The epic journey of the only actual portrait of the Virgin Mary: Icon of Madonna of Philermos
The world of Chivalry is interwoven with the spectacular turns of events. However, this story surpasses even the wildest imagination and isâ¦
danski
"vibey"
Well, he definitely started Christmas
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
From the hands of Saint Luke
The epic journey of the only actual portrait of the Virgin Mary: Icon of Madonna of Philermos
The world of Chivalry is interwoven with the spectacular turns of events. However, this story surpasses even the wildest imagination and isâ¦
Can you elaborate? Is this the "I am your father" revelation?
bcuster
Well-Known Member
If you look at the actual icon and its well documented history it'd be hard to deny that there is strong evidence that the icon was actually created by Luke...
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Nah, it's all bullshit.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Might help if you didn't just post up links without explanation.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
We had been discussing the icons of Mary created by St Luke in this thread. This is the most convincing example I've seen.
I thought I'd said that in the 1st post on this particular topic...
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
You don't appear to understand what 'well-documented' means. That article doesn't even pretend to cite any evidence. It's written for gullible mugs like you.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
To convince faithless cynics like you...
PTK
Paul Kegan
Do you think that the "Old" Testament is the word of God?
PTK
Paul Kegan
So, you don't think that the texts have been edited later on?
PTK
Paul Kegan
1 Chronicles 1:43 (King James Version)
“Now these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the children of Israel”.This is clearly written after there were kings of the children of Israel.
Moses lived, it is claimed, before kings ruled the children of Israel. How, then, can it be explained that the same words appear in Genesis, which, it is claimed, was written by Moses?
“And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel.”
Genesis 36: 31
(King James Version)
How did Moses know that there would be kings? Why are these words repeated?
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Good catch. This question taps into biblical interpretation and tradition. Many scholars believe that Moses didn't necessarily write every word of the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament) himself, but that these texts might have been compiled and edited by later scribes. This would explain how passages anticipating future events, like the reign of kings in Israel, appear in texts traditionally attributed to him. It suggests that these references were added later to reflect historical contexts.
Different traditions within Judaism and Christianity have varied views on the authorship and composition of biblical texts. I think your observations are valid. I don't have an answer. What is the conclusion you are making? What's your take on this?
Humberto
"hangin' there in misery"
Is this the one you say was a first hand depiction by Luke?
