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The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

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slowjoe said:
Well, Brixton Hatter said 'if you feel that strongly about it', which is a pretty shocking down-playing of an alleged racist assault.

Blagsta said that Nadia 'sounds like an arsehole' - which as it turns out is probably true, bit was a pretty fucking interesting to find relevant at that stage.
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I said she sounds like an arsehole due to her taking her booze into the gig and being a twat about it, plus their boasting on their Facebook page about fighting at gigs and wanting to "shank" someone. What's yer problem?
 
Citizen66 said:
Not really true. The reason why the story both gained prominence here and support was garnered for Seamus was because of this site and poster's historical links with the Windmill. One poster even works as a promoter and others have put on their own nights there! Lots have socialised there and some clearly still do. I've even been there myself numerously, although not for a while.

These racism allegations are something new. They haven't cropped up before which lends Seamus the benefit of the doubt. The Tuts' facebook and twitter accounts bragged about a number of things including causing trouble at gigs and 'using the sexist card' against all and sundry which was witnessed on this very thread early on if you bothered to read it. For those of us that weren't there we're left with a balance of probabilities.

Which leads us where?
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None of that seemed to have been invoked by page 2, when the two contributions I cited above were made. Also, whatever the - perhaps perfectly good - reasons for the line being taken by various people, it still comes across to someone like moe on the outside as 'I know the bloke, always seemed sound, bitch must be crazy'.
 
Blagsta said:
I said she sounds like an arsehole due to her taking her booze into the gig and being a twat about it, plus their boasting on their Facebook page about fighting at gigs and wanting to "shank" someone. What's yer problem?
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My point - not my problem - is that if someone has been assaulted (which at that point she perfectly well may have been), then them bringing some illicit booze into a pub is perfectly irrelevant, and you seeming to think otherwise reflects quite badly on you.
 
slowjoe said:
None of that seemed to have been invoked by page 2, when the two contributions I cited above were made. Also, whatever the - perhaps perfectly good - reasons for the line being taken by various people, it still comes across to someone like moe on the outside as 'I know the bloke, always seemed sound, bitch must be crazy'.
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But we've moved on from page two a long time ago. Is that as far as you've read?
 
slowjoe said:
My point - not my problem - is that if someone has been assaulted (which at that point she perfectly well may have been), then them bringing some illicit booze into a pub is perfectly irrelevant, and you seeming to think otherwise reflects quite badly on you.
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What a crock. You wave your own booze round in a pub, you get thrown out. All this was clear when I posted that comment.
 
slowjoe said:
None of that seemed to have been invoked by page 2, when the two contributions I cited above were made. Also, whatever the - perhaps perfectly good - reasons for the line being taken by various people, it still comes across to someone like moe on the outside as 'I know the bloke, always seemed sound, bitch must be crazy'.
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Read the thread again.
 
Citizen66 said:
But we've moved on from page two a long time ago. Is that as far as you've read?
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Look, as I said in my first post, those who were doubtful of the allegations have been vindicated - I just think it's a shame some people weren't a bit more circumspect with their doubts until they actually knew what happened.
 
slowjoe said:
Look, as I said in my first post, those who were doubtful of the allegations have been vindicated - I just think it's a shame some people weren't a bit more circumspect with their doubts until they actually knew what happened.
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You're being an arsehole now.
 
Blagsta said:
What a crock. You wave your own booze round in a pub, you get thrown out. All this was clear when I posted that comment.
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What wasn't clear was whether or not a woman had been assaulted. Under those circumstances, your priorities come across as 'interesting' to say the least.
 
slowjoe said:
Look, as I said in my first post, those who were doubtful of the allegations have been vindicated - I just think it's a shame some people weren't a bit more circumspect with their doubts until they actually knew what happened.
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Nobody knows what happened. We have two different versions of events and are invited to pluck from the carnage what we believe to be the truth. Nobody can get it right, but certain positions have been adopted prior to this night that lends weight to an understanding of what the truth might actually be.
 
slowjoe said:
What wasn't clear was whether or not a woman had been assaulted. Under those circumstances, your priorities come across as 'interesting' to say the least.
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She was ejected from a pub. Like what happens to everyone in a pub when they take the piss, gender irrelevent. She calls it 'assault' because it's easier than admitting she was kicked out for taking the piss. Read beyond page two ffs.
 
Citizen66 said:
Christ, Kate Nash tweeted it to 80,000 fans but slowjoe has woken up now everyone and has an issue with page two.
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Well, my comment was about what I learned from the begining of the thread. That was clear from my comment. If you don't find what happened back then relevant, then don't take it into consideration :)
 
slowjoe said:
What wasn't clear was whether or not a woman had been assaulted. Under those circumstances, your priorities come across as 'interesting' to say the least.
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Yes it was. It was clear that she had been thrown out of the pub for being an arsehole. Now you're being an arsehole.
 
Citizen66 said:
She was ejected from a pub. Like what happens to everyone in a pub when they take the piss, gender irrelevent. She calls it 'assault' because it's easier than admitting she was kicked out for taking the piss. Read beyond page two ffs.
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I've read the thread. She was ejected for taking the piss, bang to rights, just as I've already said. That wasn't known at the time of the comments I've mentioned.
 
slowjoe said:
Well, my comment was about what I learned from the begining of the thread. That was clear from my comment. If you don't find what happened back then relevant, then don't take it into consideration :)
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Do you know the pub in question?
 
slowjoe said:
I've read the thread. She was ejected for taking the piss, bang to rights, just as I've already said. That wasn't known at the time of the comments I've mentioned.
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Well name the posters. But they're probably informed by spending a multitude of evenings in the company of a landlord that they have come to understand isn't a racist woman hating arsehole. Jesus wept, this is Urban75. Burying racism and sexism since 1952.
 
Citizen66 said:
Well name the posters. But they're probably informed by spending a multitude of evenings in the company of a landlord that they have come to understand isn't a racist woman hating arsehole. Jesus wept, this is Urban75. Burying racism and sexism since 1952.
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I've already named two of them you numpty. As I've also already said, they may have perfectly good reasons for their positions, but those certainly weren't apparant to someone reading who didn't know any of the people in question - and there's just a chance that might actually be the majority.
 
slowjoe said:
I've already named two of them you numpty. As I've also already said, they may have perfectly good reasons for their positions, but those certainly weren't apparant to someone reading who didn't know any of the people in question - and there's just a chance that might actually be the majority.
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If I'd been wrong, then yeah, start with accusations. I called it right though, didn't I?
 
slowjoe said:
Yes indeed you did, as I've been clear from my first post. I think I've been careful to articulate my point from this.
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You're being a dick. Flinging round baseless accusations of sexism is out of order.You owe me an apology.
 
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