The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

[ViolentPanda]

bare-knuckle fights in a scratch ring outside.

I'd pay good cash money to see a bare-knuckles bout between Minnie-the-Minx and roofdog.

 

[ViolentPanda]

down boy

It's Belushi, electrodes to the genitals and half a ton of ice can't make him "down boy"!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hardly anyone on here is rushing to blindly back the venue. Mostly people seem keen to provide some balance to this ridiculous witch hunt based on ill considered statements of judgement like that highlighted above.

I know it's trite to say so, especially as I've already said similar, but pubs are very much "my house, my rules" establishments.

 

[ViolentPanda]

the longer this goes on the more the tuts will have to apologise for, as they're spreading it all over the interwebnet.

You'd almost think that THE TUTS were courting controversy, wouldn't you, following some corny plan concocted by Bill Drummond.

 

[wayward bob]

surely not?

 

[Infinite Jest]

I think some bands do do it, and get away with it.

But they tend to be selling 15,000+ tickets; not getting some of their mates along to a pub who they then encourage to go elsewhere after their set. It's really poor form.

Just to be clear here, because a few people seem to have confused a couple of incidents:

The band telling people to go elsewhere was Allo Darlin' - that happened a couple of years (?) ago. They were encouraging people to go see another band, the Lovely Eggs. (Who AD fans would probably like). There's no connection with last night's incident, other than that both were at the Windmill and both thrown out.

 

[ViolentPanda]

When that kid started accusing everyone here of being sexist I could see the lie of the land. It reminded me of the time on the bus a mouthy schoolgirl called an old man with a walking stick sexist because he asked if he could have her seat.

Rude little madam really annoyed me, she did. I only wanted her seat, ffs, not her hymen!

 

[editor]

Just to be clear here, because a few people seem to have confused a couple of incidents:

The band telling people to go elsewhere was Allo Darlin' - that happened a couple of years (?) ago. They were encouraging people to go see another band, the Lovely Eggs.

Just in case you weren't aware of it, the Lovely Eggs were playing an event put on by an urban75-related club that night.

So it was all our fault
;-)

 

[Citizen66]

My suspicion is that the lady in question (and her friends) are resorting to trial by Tweet because they are not confident they would come out smelling of roses if the case were properly investigated.

Far easier to fuck up a venue and possibly damage a man's reputation and livelihood with rumour and innuendo than have 'the hassle' of him defend himself against the allegations with the possibility of inconvenient eye witnesses coming out of the woodwork. Which opens them up to accusations of slander. Hope they've got decent lawyers.

 

[leanderman]

Had I known gigs could be this entertaining, I would have gone to some these past 20 years.

 

[Infinite Jest]

Just in case you weren't aware of it, the Lovely Eggs were playing an event put on by an urban75-related club that night.

So it was all our fault
;-)

You heartless monster! ;-)

(Oh well, this thread has reminded me that I had an account here and should spend some more time here, so not all bad...)

 

[Mrs Magpie]

@ C66
Well, libel. They've tweeted all over the shop, exhorted people to retweet the accusations and destroy his business. And all because some lead singer got pissed and lairy, threw a few punches and then in the cold light of the morning decided that it was racist. Who'd've thunk it? Lead singers are normally such quiet types with tiny egos.

 

[Citizen66]

Just to be clear here, because a few people seem to have confused a couple of incidents:

The band telling people to go elsewhere was Allo Darlin' - that happened a couple of years (?) ago. They were encouraging people to go see another band, the Lovely Eggs. (Who AD fans would probably like). There's no connection with last night's incident, other than that both were at the Windmill and both thrown out.

Ah, OK. Fair dos.

 

[AverageJoe]

@ C66
Well, libel. They've tweeted all over the shop, exhorted people to retweet the accusations and destroy his business. And all because some lead singer got pissed and lairy, threw a few punches and then in the cold light of the morning decided that it was racist. Who'd've thunk it? Lead singers are normally such quiet types with tiny egos.

*tuts*

*walks away*

 

[Blagsta]

frankly i'd boycott any band which played kcl(s)u

Frankly I'd boycott any band that sounds like Lily Allen covering old Shop Assistants songs.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

*tuts*

I see what you did there!

 

[RaverDrew]

I hope you're not implying that any woman would misuse feminism or feminist rhetoric to bolster their own selfish argument, drew!

It just doesn't happen, and if you claim it does, you're a sexist male bastard potential rapist!!

My reputation as a "white knight" defending the poor innocent females has surely taken a battering today

 

[TrevOddBox]

Update:

My girlfriend has come in from work and she was in the room when it started:

Here's what she saw/witnessed:

I was in the room when the trouble started. Seamus dashed over to where the band were, there was some shouting, then he went to grab the singer in the way that bouncers grab someone to bundle them out of the room, I.e. arms around their body to contain them and so it's easier to move them. She moved so he actually ended up grabbing her hair. Then it all moved outside. I think he could have handled the situation better by talking rather than acting but it didn't look like an aggressive assault to me. Unfortunately the shouting that continued outside the venue from Seamus and a couple of their regular punters in the faces of people who weren't involved at all in the scuffle was aggressive and unnecessary.​

 

[Blagsta]

I take it everyone rushing to back the venue on principle has never sneaked a drink into any gig/cinema/whatever? Good for you.
No-one comes out of a scuffle like this looking good, but there's a reason our natural instinct is to ask 'who started it?' and I hope we can all agree that breaking a rule is not on the same moral plain as verbal abuse and physical confrontation.
She had alcohol she shouldn't have had, and the landlord had every right to ask her to leave, or better still, ask the promoter to have a word. However, the landlord was also drinking and possibly his judgement was impaired, I don't know. What I do know is that he didn't ask her anything, or speak to the promoter - what he did was steam in swearing at her, which she responded to in kind. He then tried to grab her, and it kicked off. She may well have pissed him off by her actions, but the incident itself was entirely his fault because of the way he handled it. Would she have gone quietly? I don't see why not, but we'll never know, will we? No-one spoke to her in a reasonable and professional manner.
Now, I don't know the man, and for all I know he might be a lovely bloke 99.99% of the time or unless his sore points are pushed, but the point here is that it was his job to handle the situation, which he did incredibly badly, and things escalated from there.
As an observer attempting to be neutral, I have to admit I didn't see everything, but I did see the crowd outside the pub being completely calm, certainly not pissed (this was only 9pm) and trying to reason with the management, whereas the lads on the door were drunk, lary and sexist to a man.

In my experience a certain type of bloke has a problem with women asserting themselves, let alone defending themselves, and I think there's an element of that here, both from what I witnessed last night, and a lot of comments on this forum. Some people could also do with watching Jodie Foster in The Accused if you think it's ok to use a woman's 'history' and behaviour against her to justify violence. Good to know decades of feminist thought have affected you all so deeply.

I won't be going back to the Windmill. Which I'm sure they're gutted about.

You appear to think that merely being a woman gives one a license to behave like an arsehole and not expect consequences.

 

[Blagsta]

Yes - The violence at THE TUTS gig.

Is that The Tuts who sound like Lily Allen covering old Shop Assistants songs?

 

[killer b]

You appear to think that merely being a woman gives one a license to behave like an arsehole and not expect consequences.

but jodie foster.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that The Tuts who sound like Lily Allen covering old Shop Assistants songs?

yes, it's THE TUTS who do that

 

[Citizen66]

You appear to think that merely being a woman gives one a license to behave like an arsehole and not expect consequences.

Or that the consequences are driven by racial and gender prejudice.

 

[Pickman's model]

but jodie foster.

jodie foster's a special case, but she's been in taxi driver and silence of the lambs so you have to cut her a bit of slack.

 

[bluestreak]

sorry, jodie foster has covered the shop assistants?

 

[bluestreak]

Update:

My girlfriend has come in from work and she was in the room when it started:

Here's what she saw/witnessed:

I was in the room when the trouble started. Seamus dashed over to where the band were, there was some shouting, then he went to grab the singer in the way that bouncers grab someone to bundle them out of the room, I.e. arms around their body to contain them and so it's easier to move them. She moved so he actually ended up grabbing her hair. Then it all moved outside. I think he could have handled the situation better by talking rather than acting but it didn't look like an aggressive assault to me. Unfortunately the shouting that continued outside the venue from Seamus and a couple of their regular punters in the faces of people who weren't involved at all in the scuffle was aggressive and unnecessary.​

Cheers Trev, that sounds a little saner and more like the sort of thing that happens...

 

[ddraig]

it's all gone a bit "quiet over there" ain't it

 

[Pickman's model]

sorry, jodie foster has covered the shop assistants?

not at all. she's had some traumatic times like when she was being pursued in a basement by a mad serial killer and all that to-do with hannibal lecter. so she can get away with some things you'd pull other people up for.

 

[paolo]

Update:

My girlfriend has come in from work and she was in the room when it started:

Here's what she saw/witnessed:

I was in the room when the trouble started. Seamus dashed over to where the band were, there was some shouting, then he went to grab the singer in the way that bouncers grab someone to bundle them out of the room, I.e. arms around their body to contain them and so it's easier to move them. She moved so he actually ended up grabbing her hair. Then it all moved outside. I think he could have handled the situation better by talking rather than acting but it didn't look like an aggressive assault to me. Unfortunately the shouting that continued outside the venue from Seamus and a couple of their regular punters in the faces of people who weren't involved at all in the scuffle was aggressive and unnecessary.​

Based on what's been said already about the Tuts gig, that sounds quite plausible.

 

[Pickman's model]

Based on what's been said already about the Tuts gig, that sounds quite plausible.

this is the violent TUTS who were supposed to play the windmill last night?