The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig

[RaverDrew]

Posted @ www.facebook.com/windmillbrixton

About last night…..
I wasn’t in the main room at the time of the incident last night that primarily involved Seamus, the landlord of the Windmill and Nadia from The Tuts.
I’ve spent most of the day reading stuff and listening to people who have given me both sides of the story. The Tuts’ have also released a blog post that you can read here: http://thetuts.tumblr.com/post/26555827192/last-night-at-the-windmill-brixton
The bit about this that particularly saddens me is the reference to racial abuse. I asked around about this a lot and quizzed Seamus and he is adamant that he never did that, and actually sounded very surprised as he didn’t know what ethnic origin Nadia was of.
As I said I wasn’t in the room but have spoken to Seamus whose side of the story is quite different from Nadia’s in that she was asked not to drink from a bottle of vodka in the venue a number of times and then verbals got exchanged. She was asked to leave and then others from both sides, I think, got involved. She apparently refused. Some say the expulsion was excessive but on the other hand the only punches reportedly thrown were by Nadia on Seamus and a customer who was trying to help him out.
As the booker/venue promoter of the venue, I think enough know me to vouch for me and if Nadia, any of the band or her friends want to open further dialogue they can contact me and I’ll listen.

Tim

This pretty much corroborates the version of events my friend saw, Nadia was the one who was attempting (and failing in a comedy manor so I'm told) to throw punches.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah ok. What happens on the free nights, out of interest?

bare-knuckle fights in a scratch ring outside.

 

[absurdabsurd]

Disclaimers:

I was not at the Windmill to witness the incident(s) described.

I do go to the Windmill regularly, have numerous friends who play there regularly, and know a fair number of the staff.

I am not a regular poster or indeed visitor to this forum (forgive me).

I won't speculate at length about any of the finer details of what did or didn't happen (though openly admit that I am happy to stand by Tim's statement of events, particularly after reading this entire thread).

Main point: to anyone and everyone who has implied or alluded to the idea that what Seamus may or may not have done is made worse/compounded by the fact that the other main party involved is a girl: take your woman-as-victim scenarios and get out. Gender does not play into this, as much as there appears to be a particular brigade who would love to spin everything into a feminist issue. And, sad as it makes me, I feel like 90% of these discussions wouldn't be taking place if the person in question were a man (as has been pointed out previously in this thread).

For what it's worth: I am a girl. I have never felt unsafe, belittled, or in any way at the receiving end of sexism in all the times I have been at the Windmill - quite the opposite. I have felt welcome, safe, and more than able to speak my mind on an even footing with staff and punters alike.

It would be very strange indeed if the events of last night genuinely contravened the usual culture and atmosphere of the place in such drastic fashion.

So it would be lovely if we could at least put that side of the arguments to bed, regardless of what your take on the rest of events is.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Roof Dog does that with everyone, so don't think you're special.

He accidentally pissed on me one day

Accidentally, eh?

(good dog, there's your box of bonios)

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Accidentally, eh?

(good dog, there's your box of bonios)

Yes, he was having a pee sideways above the door and the wind caught his pee and sprayed it over me walking in

 

[ViolentPanda]

you wouldn't have caught GG Allin complaining on twitter about the venue the next day, and he got actually injured every show.

GG used to complain if he didn't get kicked out of the venue and have the shit kicked out of him by the bouncers.

 

[Badgers]

Yes, he was having a pee sideways above the door and the wind caught his pee and sprayed it over me walking in

How sexist of him

 

[Pickman's model]

Accidentally, eh?

(good dog, there's your box of bonios)

 

[wayward bob]

... I am not a regular poster or indeed visitor to this forum (forgive me)...

i reckon you should stick around, you might like it here

 

[Pickman's model]

i reckon you should stick around, you might like it here

once she gets used to our ways

 

[wayward bob]

don't ever get used to their ways, whatever you do

 

[Belushi]

Fresh meat

 

[wayward bob]

down boy

 

[Rushy]

I take it everyone rushing to back the venue on principle has never sneaked a drink into any gig/cinema/whatever? Good for you.
She may well have pissed him off by her actions, but the incident itself was entirely his fault because of the way he handled it. .

Hardly anyone on here is rushing to blindly back the venue. Mostly people seem keen to provide some balance to this ridiculous witch hunt based on ill considered statements of judgement like that highlighted above.

It strikes me that neither party had their finest hour and she is clearly not free of blame. Each should apologise to the other rather than this childish and hysterical escalation.

My suspicion is that the lady in question (and her friends) are resorting to trial by Tweet because they are not confident they would come out smelling of roses if the case were properly investigated.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hardly anyone on here is rushing to blindly back the venue. Mostly people seem keen to provide some balance to this ridiculous witch hunt based on ill considered statements of judgement like that highlighted above.

It strikes me that neither party had their finest hour and she is clearly not free of blame. Each should apologise to the other rather than this childish and hysterical escalation.

My suspicion is that the lady in question (and her friends) are resorting to trial by Tweet because they are not confident they would come out smelling of roses if the case were properly investigated.

the longer this goes on the more the tuts will have to apologise for, as they're spreading it all over the interwebnet.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

My suspicion is that the lady in question (and her friends) are resorting to trial by Tweet because they are not confident they would come out smelling of roses if the case were properly investigated.

To be honest, they're smelling of Attar de Bloody Dubious Twats already.

 

[paolo]

the longer this goes on the more the tuts will have to apologise for, as they're spreading it all over the interwebnet.

I'd go as far as suggesting the thread title should have band's name added. It was an incident specifically involving them. Let's be sure that google searches for them bring up this thread, just for a bit of balance.

 

[Pickman's model]

To be honest, they're smelling of Attar de Bloody Dubious Twats already.

not so much smelling of vodka as vomit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd go as far as suggesting the thread title should have band's name added. It was an incident specifically involving them. Let's be sure that google searches for them bring up this thread, just for a bit of balance.

that band name? do you mean THE TUTS?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

the longer this goes on the more the tuts will have to apologise for, as they're spreading it all over the interwebnet.

It could backfire spectacularly and he'll get more customers

 

[Mrs Magpie]

When that kid started accusing everyone here of being sexist I could see the lie of the land. It reminded me of the time on the bus a mouthy schoolgirl called an old man with a walking stick sexist because he asked if he could have her seat.

 

[paolo]

that band name? do you mean THE TUTS?

Yes - The violence at THE TUTS gig.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes - The violence at THE TUTS gig.

what, the violence at THE TUTS gig sparked by the singer bringing in vodka and then swinging at the landlord?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I take it everyone rushing to back the venue on principle has never sneaked a drink into any gig/cinema/whatever? Good for you.

Most of the cinemas and whatevers I've ever been in didn't have bars., so smuggling in a half-bottle of Mother Raffertys' finest Potato Vodka didn't cut into their profits.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Being female does not automatically make one a feminist.

Getting tanked up, telling the landlord to fuck off when he catches you drinking smuggled in booze, and throwing punches at the guy when he asks you to leave are not acts of feminism.

I hope you're not implying that any woman would misuse feminism or feminist rhetoric to bolster their own selfish argument, drew!

It just doesn't happen, and if you claim it does, you're a sexist male bastard potential rapist!!

 

[Onket]

When that kid started accusing everyone here of being sexist I could see the lie of the land. It reminded me of the time on the bus a mouthy schoolgirl called an old man with a walking stick sexist because he asked if he could have her seat.

He was lucky that's all he got called. The paedo.

 

[Pickman's model]

Most of the cinemas and whatevers I've ever been in didn't have bars., so smuggling in a half-bottle of Mother Raffertys' finest Potato Vodka didn't cut into their profits.

and mostly it wasn't 'smuggling it in', i was quite open about it.

 

[editor]

I think this thread has proved far more informative and educational than the sensationalistic tweets that appeared last night.

Unlike reading Twitter, it's good to hear all sides of the story and be able to make up your own mind regarding the context and credibility of the claims being made.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think this thread has proved far more informative and educational than the sensationalistic tweets that appeared last night.

Unlike reading Twitter, it's good to hear all sides of the story and be able to make up your own mind regarding the context and credibility of the claims being made.

frankly it's not really credible that the landlord of a popular pub in brixton could have been for many years a crypto-racist, hiding his foul thoughts behind a facade of bonhomie and beery good cheer.

 

[ViolentPanda]

'fuck off with generalising and making assumptions about this forum and its posters when you've just got here and probably only read this thread'
Not particularly interested in your forum, I came here to make a point; that doesn't invalidate my point.
Haven't made any assumptions or generalisations about anything or anyone, my comments are based on the opinions in this thread, the gist of which are basically 'she was asking for it, what did she expect?'
I'm sorry if the film reference has confused or annoyed anyone but the point I'm making really isn't difficult, and I think my post was actually pretty reasonable considering I was there and could easily have got all emotional like a lot of people who weren't there seem to have done..

It's not that your film reference is too "difficult" for us plebs, it's more that it's not really aposite.