The Trump presidency

[Yuwipi Woman]

A radio interview has emerged in which he defends paedophilia in the context of homosexuality & coming out.
Guess we'll be hearing less about Milo from now on.

We couldn't get that lucky.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On Bloomberg White House Defends Removing NSC Official Who Criticized Trump

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The White House spokeswoman did not distinguish explicitly between White House postings such as the National Security Council and jobs elsewhere in the federal bureaucracy when asked whether government employees should be concerned that they could lose their jobs if they criticize Trump.

"It seems pretty silly that you would have somebody that’s not supportive of what you’re trying to accomplish there to carry out that very thing," Sanders said.
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I'd note here even very senior Trump Team members like Mattis and Tillerson spend a lot of time correcting impressions Trump has sometimes conveyed when in full bullshit mode.

 

[killer b]

white lads on the left... who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that."

Must say, I've never seen any 'white lads on the left' saying Yiannopulous should be given any kind of chance.

 

[J Ed]

Can't see all the posts about Milo, but plenty folk have been shouting he's a wrong 'un for quite some time, particularly Black feminists and trans women and men. Seems to be the white lads on the left and right who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that." Takes something like this to finally prick their consciences. Right oh.

You fucking idiot

 

[Treacle Toes]

You fucking idiot

Why not ask for proof or what she means before launching in with this kind of abuse?

 

[J Ed]

Why not ask for proof or what she means before launching in with this kind of abuse?

Why would I bother?

 

[J Ed]

Repeated requests for unsubstantiated accusations are never met with anything other than further accusations and use of the ignore list.

 

[8den]

Can't see all the posts about Milo, but plenty folk have been shouting he's a wrong 'un for quite some time, particularly Black feminists and trans women and men. Seems to be the white lads on the left and right who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that." Takes something like this to finally prick their consciences. Right oh.

Only on Friday was that cunt Milo having a good chuckle about transgender bathroom rights and the dangers it posed to children on Bill Maher's show (fucked if I am linking to it)

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Can't see all the posts about Milo, but plenty folk have been shouting he's a wrong 'un for quite some time, particularly Black feminists and trans women and men. Seems to be the white lads on the left and right who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that." Takes something like this to finally prick their consciences. Right oh.

I'd never heard of him till today. Lots of people don't pay attention to alt-right bollocks. Briefly looking him up I can't imagine anyone on the left having anything but instant contempt for him.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Seems to be the white lads on the left and right who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that." Takes something like this to finally prick their consciences. Right oh.

Do you have any examples of this that you have come across CRI ?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'd never heard of him till today. Lots of people don't pay attention to alt-right bollocks. Briefly looking him up I can't imagine anyone on the left having anything but instant contempt for him.

There is a substantial thread on him here. At least one weird apologist too.

 

[NoXion]

Can't see all the posts about Milo, but plenty folk have been shouting he's a wrong 'un for quite some time, particularly Black feminists and trans women and men. Seems to be the white lads on the left and right who were saying, "C'mon, give him a chance, freeze peach and all that." Takes something like this to finally prick their consciences. Right oh.

Who on the "left" has been calling for giving Milo a chance? Name names.

 

[killer b]

the white lads, obv.

 

[bimble]

Milo gets to be the News, yet again.

There's lots of people surely who think that the right to free speech is more important than anyone's right not to be offended. I think so, for instance.
When the American Civil Liberties Union said that they thought Milo should be allowed to speak they got a huge backlash of anger for it. That might be an example of 'white lads on the left giving him a chance' though seems a very silly way of putting it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Milo thread for Milo stuff here:

Milo Banned!

 

[killer b]

When the American Civil Liberties Union said that they thought Milo should be allowed to speak they got a huge backlash of anger for it. That might be an example of 'white lads on the left giving him a chance' though seems a very silly way of putting it.

specially as the person from the ACLU interviewed in the article you linked to is a white woman

 

[Treacle Toes]

The first casualties of Trump's trade wars are Texas cattle ranchers | Commentary | Dallas News

Texas ranchers, though, will not be alone for long. Beef producers from Nebraska to the Dakotas face the same problems. So do grain farmers in Kansas and the snow-covered corn fields of Iowa, just like tomato farmers in California and Florida and autoworkers in Michigan, longshoremen, truckers and railway workers in Miami and Houston and Long Beach. These will be the first casualties of a trade war.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The first casualties of Trump's trade wars are Texas cattle ranchers | Commentary | Dallas News

That seems pretty spot on. I see a lot of my farmer friends on social media freaking out over the potential of his policies and the effect on grain prices. I suppose I should feel some sympathy for them, but I also know most of them voted for him.

 

[CRI]

Only on Friday was that cunt Milo having a good chuckle about transgender bathroom rights and the dangers it posed to children on Bill Maher's show (fucked if I am linking to it)

Bill Maher's "ain't I clever finding common ground with Milo" was pretty ghastly, and an example of someone on the left (on the American spectrum at least) showing willingness to engage with him.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Bill Maher's "ain't I clever finding common ground with Milo" was pretty ghastly, and an example of someone on the left (on the American spectrum at least) showing willingness to engage with him.

I didn't think he is/was a lefty to be honest. He had a show called 'Politically Incorrect' for example.

Is that left on the US political spectrum?

 

[CrabbedOne]

On THE JOHN BATCHELOR SHOW "The murder rate, according to the FBI, is near its modern low and less than half of its peak of just more than one person in 10,000 in 1980." @harrysiegel. @nydailynews

A podcast based on this story:

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If — a huge “if” — Trump really wants to improve public safety, not just inflame fears about it, he should heed the five-point “Agenda for the New Administration” from Law Enforcement Leaders to Reduce Crime & Incarceration, a group co-chaired by former New Orleans and Nashville top cop Ronal Serpas and former Dallas chief David Brown, and also including Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance.

To put it in terms Trump might get, these are lawmen, not lefty losers, laying out a focused, politically viable agenda for the President to renew the feds’ focus on violent crime, reduce unnecessary incarceration, increase mental health and drug treatment, bolster community policing, and reduce recidivism rates.

Trump, the report notes, could do so in part by reworking federal funding that too often gives local authorities incentives to use “arrest, conviction, and prison as the default response for every broken law.”

Which “is not only unnecessary from a public safety standpoint, (but) also endangers our communities.”

Chief Brown, who was widely credited with both reducing crime and reforming policing in Dallas, retired last year, months after seeing his Dallas force through the horror of having five of its own murdered by a shooter who set out to kill white cops at a peaceful protest, shortly after cops in Louisiana and Minnesota had needlessly shot and killed two black men. He knows first-hand what it takes to keep people safe without infringing on their rights and dignity.

If Trump wants to move past fear-peddling and phony claims to deliver real results, he should listen.

Talk about inventing stats. Trump on the national crime rate is bullshitting way off base from any statistical reality. He does this in a lot of areas. This is a man who doesn't get out much even in a NYC utterly transformed from its heyday as gritty late 20th century crime spot that he still seems to imagine it is.

It suits him to paint wealthy America just coming off the apex of its power as as a hard done by dystopian mess he inherited from the wrecker Obama. The reality is relatively low crime, a slowly growing economy, low unemployment by the historical ways it's been measured in the US. With parts of the country really thriving while some miss out as has always been the Devil take the hindmost American way. And it all really resonates with comfortable folk watching fox and reading Breitbart who continually depict the same vision of American Carnage.

 

[bimble]

What does it mean that according to recent polls some 47% of the people registered or likely to vote say that they approve of Trump?
I mean, has anyone got any insight into what it is that so many people are seeing that they approve of? (real question)

 

[CRI]

Do you have any examples of this that you have come across CRI ?

Here's piece in Salon I bookmarked from last year by Matthew Rozsa - Why we need Milo: Even offensive trolls like Milo Yiannopoulos are good for the left

Most stuff though was comments on social media, primarily from folk on the right suddenly getting all lathered about free speech while in the next post slamming Meryl Streep or similar, because theirs was the wrong kind of free speech. There where some comments from the "no platforming is bad" crowd criticising the UC Irvine ban of events by campus Republicans who'd invited Yannapolous to speak there.

 

[killer b]

Here's piece in Salon I bookmarked hurriedly googled from last year .

 

[CRI]

Milo gets to be the News, yet again.

There's lots of people surely who think that the right to free speech is more important than anyone's right not to be offended. I think so, for instance.
When the American Civil Liberties Union said that they thought Milo should be allowed to speak they got a huge backlash of anger for it. That might be an example of 'white lads on the left giving him a chance' though seems a very silly way of putting it.

Yes - it's not just been right wing peeps who've supported his right to speak. Those who've been the most vocal in calling out his speech as hate speech though have been people of colour in blogs and social media posts.

 

[CRI]

I didn't think he is/was a lefty to be honest. He had a show called 'Politically Incorrect' for example.

Is that left on the US political spectrum?

He probably wouldn't be considered to be very left wing in the UK, but definitely is in the US.

 

[CRI]

That seems pretty spot on. I see a lot of my farmer friends on social media freaking out over the potential of his policies and the effect on grain prices. I suppose I should feel some sympathy for them, but I also know most of them voted for him.

I did see a piece where ranchers and farmers worried about the risk of spills and damage from the Dakota Pipeline opposed Trump on this. Have more sympathy for them than the ones who voted Trump and now are, "Oh, I didn't know it would be bad for me."

 

[CRI]

I still have bookmarks going back to 1998, so piss away off Mr Snarky Pants.

 

[CrabbedOne]

On TAC Trump’s Foreign Policy Incoherence

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Trump’s incoherence on foreign policy was one of the few things we could be sure to expect from his administration. His positions have ranged from one extreme to the other. He has expressed support for forcible regime change in the past, and then as a candidate he expressed his supposed hostility to the very concept of regime change. He claims to want to “get along” with Russia, but he mocks the “reset” and criticizes New START in the same terms as a typical Russia hawk. On some issues, he can stake out opposing, irreconcilable positions in the course of the same interview or even the same paragraph. The only reliable constants have been Trump’s conviction that the U.S. is always and everywhere being ripped off in bad deals, an abiding hostility toward Muslims here and abroad, and an almost cartoonish enthusiasm for Israel. On everything else, he tends to follow the lead of his advisers, who are hard-liners on the issues they care most about. Insofar as his advisers have a more coherent view of the world than he does, it tends to be one that exaggerates foreign threats and commits the U.S. to more aggressive policies almost everywhere. In practice, that means that the administration is reliably belligerent but otherwise unreliable, which is a truly awful combination.

Mouthy and treacherously inconsistent is a lousy combination in most areas of business as well. Real Estate may be an exception.

 

[CrabbedOne]

What does it mean that according to recent polls some 47% of the people registered or likely to vote say that they approve of Trump?
I mean, has anyone got any insight into what it is that so many people are seeing that they approve of? (real question)

He's at least in part trying to do some of the things he said he would which is unusual. He is not a hated Clinton. A new administration always takes time to bed in and there will be some patience with him over that.

He's delivering a viable conservative Judge to skew the Supreme Court rightward which is all a lot of voters expected of him. A juicy dollop of Tax reform is coming for the upper deciles. Obamacare is near to being torched. Better yet the GOP on The Hill have their sights fixed on Medicare and Medicaid. He's the most lavishly pro-Israel President yet. He looks very Wall St friendly in practice if not rhetoric. He's made two respectable establishment appointments in Mattis and Tillerson. As with Brexit markets have yet to panic and things aren't looking that bad. He's an affront to squishy liberals which is great and remains an amusing spectacle battering the hated MSM. This will please a lot of Republicans enough to say they approve. And they voted for the twit and will take years to concede it was a mistake. Some Dems won't be partisan enough to hate him. That'll get you to 40%+ approval.