The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

[existentialist]

not a bad idea, shows what you;re interested in.
i was once dropped by a woman after playing some of the music i liked - penguin cafe orchestra, for example.

Lucky escape.

 

[hitmouse]

Got an email from an (American) friend who's worried about getting vaccinated due to the possibility of heart-related side effects - any advice as to how best to reassure him? From a quick google I found this: Should rare cases of heart inflammation put your COVID-19 vaccine plans on hold? but thought I'd throw it out in case anyone here can advise more.

 

[LDC]

Got an email from an (American) friend who's worried about getting vaccinated due to the possibility of heart-related side effects - any advice as to how best to reassure him? From a quick google I found this: Should rare cases of heart inflammation put your COVID-19 vaccine plans on hold? but thought I'd throw it out in case anyone here can advise more.

He should just follow the offical advice, and that's that the risk is very, very small and it's safer to get the vaccine. I'm not sure what much more there is to say tbh.

 

[hitmouse]

He should just follow the offical advice, and that's that the risk is very, very small and it's safer to get the vaccine. I'm not sure what much more there is to say tbh.

I mean, he does live in Texas, so I wouldn't be entirely surprised to learn that the official advice on a state level was that the virus was cooked up by Bill Gates in a Chinese lab or some shit like that. But yeah, will do my best - I suppose the fact that I'm now double-Pfizered without any ill effects is only anecdata, but it might help.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

not a bad idea, shows what you;re interested in.
i was once dropped by a woman after playing some of the music i liked - penguin cafe orchestra, for example.

We used to listen that when I was a student - and the name popped into my head some weeks ago for some reason and I noted it on the phone to look up some stuff on youtube, but forgot until now.

 

[hitmouse]

He should just follow the offical advice, and that's that the risk is very, very small and it's safer to get the vaccine. I'm not sure what much more there is to say tbh.

Ah, result - he's just got back to me saying "Ok, that's credible data. 1 in 60+thousand. Thnks." and that he still isn't convinced of the Johnson & Johnson one but is looking at getting the Pfizer.

 

[toblerone3]

A friend who had previously been ranting incoherently about the Vaccine and Bill Gates (etc) has now decided to get his vaccinations in order to go and visit his son in France.

 

[Anju]

Got an email from an (American) friend who's worried about getting vaccinated due to the possibility of heart-related side effects - any advice as to how best to reassure him? From a quick google I found this: Should rare cases of heart inflammation put your COVID-19 vaccine plans on hold? but thought I'd throw it out in case anyone here can advise more.

Not sure how someone manages to interpret that as a reason not to get vaccinated. It's a tiny number of cases.

Let them know that the risk of heart problems is much higher if they get Covid.

"The incidence of myocarditis following severe COVID-19 infection is striking. Estimates suggest 60-80% of those discharged following hospitalization for COVID-19 show ongoing myocarditis."

Long-term Effects of COVID-19 in Athletes

Cardiac abnormality including myocarditis has been shown in many COVID-19 patients, Myocarditis is associated with sudden mortality in athletes.

www.news-medical.net

 

[petee]

Ah, result - he's just got back to me saying "Ok, that's credible data. 1 in 60+thousand. Thnks." and that he still isn't convinced of the Johnson & Johnson one but is looking at getting the Pfizer.

there have been more issues with J&J than with the other vaccines. early stats i saw said it wasn't as efficacious either (66% protection rate vs. 80%+ for the others). that's the one i got but it wouldn't be unreasonable to wait for another if he'd feel more comfortable.

 

[spring-peeper]

there have been more issues with J&J than with the other vaccines. early stats i saw said it wasn't as efficacious either (66% protection rate vs. 80%+ for the others). that's the one i got but it wouldn't be unreasonable to wait for another if he'd feel more comfortable.

J&J is no longer used in Canada.

 

[Yossarian]

J&J is no longer used in Canada.

I don't think anybody in Canada ever ended up getting a J&J shot - an initial shipment of 300,000 doses was rejected last month because of contamination issues at the plant in Maryland that produced them, there's a contract in place for more but no delivery date set, if they ever arrive they'll probably end up with the AstraZeneca doses in the international donation pile.

 

[spring-peeper]

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[wemakeyousoundb]

Totally living in fear this lot:


Another one lost all her puic hair after meetinga vaccinated person (aka dancer in those circles)

 

[two sheds]

Totally living in fear this lot:
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Another one lost all her puic hair after meetinga vaccinated person (aka dancer in those circles)

you're fucking joking

Eta: are these the same people who decided people were paranoid for avoiding people with the virus?

 

[bimble]

They have invented a monster loads scarier and more ubiquitous than the actual virus itself. It’s quite amazing. Must be truly terrifying to believe all that.
Next door neighbour is a quieter version of this, she definitely thinks I’m ‘shedding’ dangerous vaccine poison.

 

[N_igma]

there have been more issues with J&J than with the other vaccines. early stats i saw said it wasn't as efficacious either (66% protection rate vs. 80%+ for the others). that's the one i got but it wouldn't be unreasonable to wait for another if he'd feel more comfortable.

The 66% versus 80% thing doesn’t really make sense. The J&J trial was carried out over a longer period of time including in places where they were more transmissible variants whereas the Pfizer and Moderna ones were carried out in summer where those variants weren’t as prevalent. What we need to look at is not how well they are at stopping you getting it but how they work at preventing people being hospitalised and dying.

 

[petee]

The 66% versus 80% thing doesn’t really make sense. The J&J trial was carried out over a longer period of time including in places where they were more transmissible variants whereas the Pfizer and Moderna ones were carried out in summer where those variants weren’t as prevalent. What we need to look at is not how well they are at stopping you getting it but how they work at preventing people being hospitalised and dying.

a fair point but as recently as june 23 that figure was repeated:

Information about the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine

Information about the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine including name, manufacturer, type of vaccine, number of shots, how it is given, and links to ingredient information.

www.cdc.gov

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

you're fucking joking

Eta: are these the same people who decided people were paranoid for avoiding people with the virus?

I wish I was but nope, they are for real.
Probably is the answer to your second question.
And let's not forget that the one suggesting tattoos in that post might well be someone who wore a yellow star at an antivax march...

 

[izz]

Totally living in fear this lot:
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Another one lost all her puic hair after meetinga vaccinated person (aka dancer in those circles)

All this exposes a failing in science education in schools I think.

 

[marty21]

There is now an anti-vax camp on Hackney Downs it has been there a few days , I've heard that the parks department is trying to move them on . I walked past it today , they just seemed to be smoking skunk , lots of 'information' on posters , apparently the virus is msm & they are the cure

Wake up sheeple !

 

[Dystopiary]

I wonder how many of these people were obsessed with aeroplane contrails a few years ago. Haven't heard much about all that for a while, but I've been making a concerted effort to avoid certain people. I wonder if this new set of fears has pretty much replaced that one.

 

[Supine]

A favourite of mine is anti vaxxers wearing masks to avoid vaccinated people shedding dangerous spike particles.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

All this exposes a failing in science education in schools I think.

Yes, quite possibly exacerbated in certain US states too due to religious influence

There is now an anti-vax camp on Hackney Downs it has been there a few days , I've heard that the parks department is trying to move them on . I walked past it today , they just seemed to be smoking skunk , lots of 'information' on posters , apparently the virus is msm & they are the cure

Wake up sheeple !

They were on clapham common and sheperds bush before.

I wonder how many of these people were obsessed with aeroplane contrails a few years ago. Haven't heard much about all that for a while, but I've been making a concerted effort to avoid certain people. I wonder if this new set of fears has pretty much replaced that one.

definitely still in there but in the background
"fake snow" anyone? (this definitely a lack of science knowledge and I am positively not very good at science)

 

[krtek a houby]

So, the majority of the misinformation seems to have been down to a dodgy dozen?

Among the dozen are physicians that have embraced pseudoscience, a bodybuilder, a wellness blogger, a religious zealot, and, most notably Robert F Kennedy Jr, the nephew of John F Kennedy who has also linked vaccines to autism and 5G broadband cellular networks to the coronavirus pandemic.

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

So, the majority of the misinformation seems to have been down to a dodgy dozen?

Among the dozen are physicians that have embraced pseudoscience, a bodybuilder, a wellness blogger, a religious zealot, and, most notably Robert F Kennedy Jr, the nephew of John F Kennedy who has also linked vaccines to autism and 5G broadband cellular networks to the coronavirus pandemic.

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds

That is where it originates from, and then it spreads.

Apparently RFK was involved in setting up the website "vaxxtracker.com" which was collecting "adverse reactions" to vaccines (to be subsequently monetised by selling the data including all the VAERS stuff they had hoovered) which has now been taken offline after what seems a flurry of reports of very strange adverse reactions.

 

[purenarcotic]

All this exposes a failing in science education in schools I think.

Not just in general school. I dunno if you saw but over 4K women reported a change in their periods after vaccination (cycle disrupted, painful, longer etc). This was dismissed as bollocks by a (male) Dr on This Morning. Another Dr, female and a specialist in women’s health responded by explaining how the immune system influences the menstrual cycle and why this wasn’t anything to worry about long term and we should still get jabbed. But 4K women have just had their lived experience dismissed on national telly. How many will then look to dodgy sources instead? If a huge daytime national show, using a Dr who is supposedly highly qualified can’t be bothered to do their homework then I can’t say I’m surprised the average public is confused and easily misled.

 

[krtek a houby]

That is where it originates from, and then it spreads.

Apparently RFK was involved in setting up the website "vaxxtracker.com" which was collecting "adverse reactions" to vaccines (to be subsequently monetised by selling the data including all the VAERS stuff they had hoovered) which has now been taken offline after what seems a flurry of reports of very strange adverse reactions.

His uncle still had more fucking brains than him after Dallas

 

[keybored]

I think the testing was proposed because of a supplement found to contain amphetamines or something

Makes sense. Certainly explains the swivel-eyed lunacy and general paranoia.

 

[keybored]

one fewer

Far-right extremist who threatened top Belgian doctor appears to have killed himself, prosecutor says | CNN

A far-right extremist who became the object of a month-long manhunt after threatening a top doctor fighting Covid-19, appears to have killed himself, authorities in Belgium said Sunday.

www.cnn.com

Obviously Bill Gates got to him :'(

 

[izz]

Not just in general school. I dunno if you saw but over 4K women reported a change in their periods after vaccination (cycle disrupted, painful, longer etc). This was dismissed as bollocks by a (male) Dr on This Morning. Another Dr, female and a specialist in women’s health responded by explaining how the immune system influences the menstrual cycle and why this wasn’t anything to worry about long term and we should still get jabbed. But 4K women have just had their lived experience dismissed on national telly. How many will then look to dodgy sources instead? If a huge daytime national show, using a Dr who is supposedly highly qualified can’t be bothered to do their homework then I can’t say I’m surprised the average public is confused and easily misled.

That is an absolutely fair point old bean.