spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
I think the anti-vax just throw words into a hat.
The first word pulled will be the focus of their next attempt.
The first word pulled will be the focus of their next attempt.
The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
everyone knows that the bill gates nano chips are magnetic, but I wonder if they realise they can neutralise it with a 1 minute microwave blast at full power
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
True, but I think algorithms and the internet in general has made it a lot worst.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Partly a reflection of wider political stuff and society generally, the supermarket of issues, ideas, and causes; people have the freedom and ability to pick whatever issue takes their fancy?
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
That used to be what libraries were for.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
bring back the monasteries
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Indeed. FB keeps suggesting random anti vaxx loons as people I may want to be friends with.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
"A manhunt is under way in Belgium for a heavily armed soldier with links to the extreme right who has made threats against a high-profile virologist who backed the country’s Covid lockdowns.
Named only as Jurgen C, the 46-year-old soldier went missing after taking at least one rocket launcher, a submachine gun, a smaller pistol and a bulletproof vest from his barracks on Monday..."
Armed anti-vaxxer
Named only as Jurgen C, the 46-year-old soldier went missing after taking at least one rocket launcher, a submachine gun, a smaller pistol and a bulletproof vest from his barracks on Monday..."
Armed anti-vaxxer
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I think before the internet it did happen, but it was a much less efficient process. If you were a nutter, you had to go out and make an effort to find others like yourself, gather mailing lists, write and print newsletters, and on the whole make a lot more effort. Now, its as simple as starting a Facebook Group and dropping breadcrumbs into similarly-minded groups. You can gather your own little choir to preach to in a matter of days instead of weeks or months. It also gives shitstirrers, who are only interested in speading chaos, an easy hook into these groups. It was also more difficult to shield yourself from other information. In the 1970s there was only three or four major tv news outlets that said mostly the same things. Now you can get 24 x 7 confirmation of any nutty viewpoint you might have at the click of a button.
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scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Totally agree.
In the early 1980s I was quite into UFOlogy, JFK, RFK & MLK assassination 'alternative theories' and the like.
I had to look pretty hard to obtain pamphlets about the more unusual ideas - they would advertise in niche magazines, and it was very much a fringe pursuit that 'normal people' wouldn't come into contact with. Now thanks to Twitter and Facebook every person and their cat are exposed to this stuff on a regular basis. As you say, it's the difference between actively seeking something out, and having these ideas pushed towards you without making any effort... at most, a quick Twit / FB / Google search to find / join an anti-vaxxer forum...
The other aspect - again, as you've already pointed out - is that Twit and FB make it very easy for someone to disseminate these ideas simply buy retweeting / sharing... very fast and free, unlike making photocopies, stapling them, mailing them out, all at a cost. Or sending off cash / cheque / postal order and waiting days / weeks for a pamphlet to arrive.
I suspect this ease of duplication / sharing is what has contributed to the rise of the anti-vaxxers, and their ilk. Most* / all of these ideas don't stand up to scrutiny when examined, but people's attention spans have been reduced ( I include myself) by the Internet - they may be sharing / retweeting without much thought, whereas if you have to pay £££ and spend a couple of hours, lots of people wouldn't bother, or at least would maybe think these ideas through and examine them more criticalliy ... not any more.
Nowadays these theories spread exponentially - like a virus in fact.
* A neighbour said she wouldn't want her daughter having the vaccine because who knows what side-effects it might cause, citing thalidomide, and saying "it might cause infertility". I could only reply by saying every medicine / pharmaceutical product has a risk attached to it, not just these Covid vaccines, and the various (Pfizer, AZ etc) vaccines have been tested, just maybe not as much as they would normally. In terms of AZ and thrombosis, I suggested to her that the numbers of deaths were infinitesimally small compared with the millions of doses administered. While it's not true to say the Covid vaccines are completely harmless, it seems to me they are nearly so - in terms of how many millions have had them, and how few people have had severe / fatal reactions. I make a point of telling people I felt fine after both Pfizer doses.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I also see a lot of "recycling" of ideas. One doctor put out much of the original anti-vax information, which was later proven to the fradulent. You now see the same ideas recycled from poster to poster without any understanding on their part of where the thought came from. You can slap down the original doctor with lawsuits and retraction of his journal papers, but you can't slap down the thousands of people who take his flawed ideas and disseminate them. It becomes a matter of being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people spreading false information.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
A few weeks old now, but thought this was a fairly decent read on the social factors that set people up for vaccine skepticism:
tribunemag.co.uk
Why Fighting Inequality Is the Key to Fighting Vaccine Hesitancy
The anti-vax sentiment which has accompanied the Covid vaccine rollout can't be challenged by science alone – we also need to reckon with the massive inequality that fuels suspicion of power in the first place.
tribunemag.co.uk
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Rep. Greene recently said that masks were like the yellow starts that Jwewish people had to wear in Nazi Germany.
So, of course, someone is trying to make money on it.
Gotta love American ingenuity - not!!!
Needless to say, protests around the store are on going.
So, of course, someone is trying to make money on it.
Gotta love American ingenuity - not!!!
Needless to say, protests around the store are on going.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Not to dispute this article’s argument about the role of inequality in the prevalence of ‘vaccine hesitancy’, it doesn’t seem to address the fact that it is more prevalent in the affluent, developed West, where previous mass vaccination programmes have proved so successful that diseases like polio have been more-or-less eliminated.A few weeks old now, but thought this was a fairly decent read on the social factors that set people up for vaccine skepticism:
Why Fighting Inequality Is the Key to Fighting Vaccine Hesitancy
The anti-vax sentiment which has accompanied the Covid vaccine rollout can't be challenged by science alone – we also need to reckon with the massive inequality that fuels suspicion of power in the first place.
In developing-world countries where people see the results of disease on a regular basis, in general there is far less opposition to vaccination (e.g. 95% uptake in Bangladesh).
Viewed on a global scale, ‘vaccine hesitancy’ is a luxury of the affluent, often aligned with ‘alternative health’ and New Age beliefs.
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Oh yeah, it's complicated. And tbf, if our "vaccine hesistancy" level is at 7%, that doesn't sound that far off Bangladesh, I was more shocked to see that France is so much higher than us.
Anyway, from that ONS data:
Whatever it looks like on a global scale, it doesn't particularly seem like just a luxury of the affluent within a UK context.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yep - the kind of attitudes we think of here as being "loony fringe" are quite mainstream in France. I've no idea why.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They're had some very recent scandals with medical things, for example: French pharma firm found guilty over medical scandal in which up to 2,000 died
and the relationship between people and the State and medical provision is quite different there to here. Probably some other things as well, in Germany quite bonkers alt health stuff is much more mainstream than it is here for example.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yeah, I would've expected it to be higher as well, although I'm not really in any position to contract the ONS on this one. Although maybe it's under-represented cos the True Believers would sense that anyone asking them about their opinion was obviously a trap trying to identify potential targets for the NWO death squads or whatever, god knows?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
'Could kill you' might be a better way of expressing it? Their snti-vacvine rhetoric isn't exactly free of harm.
Without a doubt, their ethos could end up lethal to others. But that's a world a way from suggesting malicious intent.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Is having zero doubts about whether your actions could cause harm much different than intent? Im not so sure
The drink driver never intends to kill someone
The anti-vaxxer is typically trying to help others, they are not antipathetic. If they didn’t care about others, they’d just keep quiet rather than assume a militant “anti-vaxxer” identity. They think that people are hurting themselves by injecting poison and this bothers them, so they are trying to stop it.
By creating a “them and us” rhetoric and labelling the “them” as evildoers of malicious intent, all you’re doing is ensuring the divide becomes unbridgeable. Why should somebody listen to a person that has already labelled them as evil?
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
I believe that this woman was trying to save people.
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