NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
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The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases
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Your Herman Cain Award awaits you.
Unexplained is unexplained. Which is why I said I'm keeping an open mind as to what the cause may be.
It could be Covid19. It could be a different horror that has been unleased. It could be one of the vaccinations. Edit to add - it could be a comination of one of the vaccinations. It could be one of the vaccinations mixed up with something else, including Covid.
It could be ANYTHING.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
That doesn't demonstrate this:
How the fuck is the linked article "not good news about the vaccines"? It's still the case that you don't get pneumonia or long covid from taking the vaccine. So the vaccine still has that advantage.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
If you have no evidence that these unexplained deaths are due to the vaccine, then you have no reason to take them into account when considering vaccination. They're irrelevant because you don't know why they happened.
2hats
Dust.
That's not a source.
This is a source - DOI:10.1016/S0140-6736(22)02465-5.
I ask again - have you read this paper?
I didn't say the linked article was "not goo news about the vaccines". That article was concerning my claim that some people who didn't take the vaccination are in a much better position than those who did, or at least they are in my view.
I have to keep posting this, to be crystal clear.
I took 4 Covid vaccinations. Nothing out of what I am saying re the vaccinations themselves are reasons not to take the vaccination. I'm not telling people to avoid taking the vaccinations.
I'm just telling people what I think in regards to me and why I'm not bothering with Covid19 vaccinations for the rest of my life.
Oh but I do have a reason to take them into account when considering vaccinations.
They are unexplained.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You shouldn't bother
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
A claim which is nonsense, because of the repeatedly aforementioned risks of long covid and pneumonia.
If they're unexplained, then there's no reason to link them to vaccines, because they are unexplained. There is just as much evidence that these unexplained deaths have been caused by bananas or sticky tape, i.e., none.
Supine
Newt Member
We don't know what's causing those deaths.
So we have to keep an open mind about that.
In the meantime, I'm not taking any more Covid 19 vaccines.
Can you stop talking about them as well please. Your choice, no need to bore us with the details.
I should if people are attacking me for those views that I orginally posted, mainly implying that I have views that I don't even hold.
Also, I have answered an awful lot of questions to defend my views and I've answered them honestly, very honestly.
I've brought some points that were well worth raising and are quite helpful.
Even if you believe that people should be told to take the vaccination, surely it's important that they make the right choice?
If I were to try and persaude someone to take the vaccination, if I can't acknowedge the darker side of the pro-vaccination crowd, the pro-vaccination nutters, then I wouldn't be taken seriously at all.
If we are consuming the same amount of bananas and we haven't changed something concerning bananas then bananas wouldn't come in to it.
But it's still a remote possibility that it could be the vaccinations because the vaccinations are a new factor, just as Covid19 is.
You're on a thread about vaccinations not entertainment.
bimble
floofy
jesus . what do you think is going on you idiot. Where are the excess deaths. Look at the picture and tell me what you see.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Vaccination is not the only new factor. You haven't eliminated the possibility of covid being responsible.
If it helps no one is sure of the cause of excess deaths at the moment.
I heard some speculation the number of heart attacks were linked to the rise of energy drinks.
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
The first one is someone says something.
The second one refers to Australia, so I'm not sure how it affects the UK
The third, Tony Blair in case you hadn't noticed, has been out of power for over a decade and will have a greatly reduced influence on the very right-wing shambles we are forced to call a government.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
It's not thread about vaccination, it's about 'the stupidity of the anti-vaxx-nutcases', not that I expect you to understand that, despite it being the actual thread title, it is basically a entertainment thread.
Unexplained excess deaths are not isoloated on that chart.
There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why
What part of "unexplained deaths" don't you understand?
Yeah, it could be Covid. It could be ANYTHING
It could be a rush of people taking 1MIL UI of vitamin D!!! hahhahhaha!!!
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Key words: "we don't know why"
You relating them even tangentially to vaccines is nothing more than a cognitive bias on you part..
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
By the same token you've got nothing connecting them to vaccines. Without evidence there is only the balance of possibilities to consider. Do you weigh the vaccinations being a more likely potential cause than the disease that's running rampant?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The graph shows that all-cause mortality is greater among the unvaccinated. Which is the opposite to what I would expect if vaccination was contributing to excess deaths.
I'm quite open minded. I'll take the science seriously when the science has some facts on the matter.
My point all along, is that while people should take the reccomendations of the experts seriously, they aren't ALWAYS the final bottom line because new facts can emerge.
Vaccines haven't been eliminated as a cause, it has inched the scales for me in my personal choice not take any more vaccinations in future, especially with a virus that is nowhere near as deadly as it was in 2020.
That's my choice. I should be able to air with emphasising that I'm not advising people to take the same choice.
What is "it"?
That's all deaths. Not unexplained excess deaths.
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
The chart bimble shows the cause of these deaths is incredibly unlikely to be vaccine-related. This is because the number of unvaccinated excess deaths; it's only slightly larger in December but there are many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated so the probability of dying is a lot higher if you are unvaccinated.
At first glance, being vaccinated protects people from the cause of excess death.
If there is a large number of unexplained excess death,s then the cause is probably unrelated to vaccine status. But it is probably just unvaccinated succumbing to covid.
Yes.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
Have you actually read that article? I very much doubt that.
Paywall busted link - There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why |…
ETA - Odd the direct NS link now seems to work,
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