Have this lot ever met a bloodthirstly dictator they didn't like?...From which it also follows that the many of the same people who spent the 2000s very stridently being The Best Fighters Against Islamophobia are now required to come over all War on Terror if the Muslims under discussion are in Xinjiang, of course.
Maybe not a ‘false flag’ but in terms of blatantly untrue propoganda, the claim that Iraqi troops were throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait City so that they could take the machines back home was a pretty disgusting one.
Are they 'left' though?
Im not sure you're definition of the Left is actually definitive or even real, its certainly narrow
Loads of people(and often people who weren't politically active much before, or had been anywhere TankTown) ditched their license fee in 2014 and had an interest in RT because it backed Yes. That was like building a waterslide into that territory. Wooosh!
think the whole thing around Maidan etc was really effective in that way unfortunately
tbf they even defend the Argentine Junta because of Maggie . The Fact the foreign office tried to hand the Falklands over and the Junta couldn't even persuade the islanders they'd be better off under the argentine rule
The genuinely dodgy groups have mastered the whole appearing confused thing too, it helps them reach actually confused people really quickly. Seen this happening with covid in real time, you need to be careful not to write people off immediately if they are on the fence.It goes beyond the red brown stuff too, I've seen people I definitely wouldn't class as anti trans or terfs (etc) doing the whole whataboutery / we just don't know etc when it comes to Ukraine. Think a lot of people also have questions and are confused too
Same with some of the terf stuff as well as we've discussed.
Sorry, I wasn't being serious there regarding blaming Corbyn himself, just tapping into the meme.
Oh I absolutely do blame Corbyn himself lol but the whole culture fucking made him.
Where is my "definition of the Left"? I haven't made one.
You could count all them WMDs in Iraq in this
I guess my point was that a lot of Scottish nationalists aren't left at all -- some may see themselves as being left (even when they clearly aren't) while others aren't and definitely wouldn't identify as such (it's not that long after all since the days of the 'Tartan Tories' and those people are still about).
A Colombian newspaper (centre left) was reporting what had happened in Bucha today on Facebook, and I would assess around 90% of the comments were saying it was a hoax or that the Ukrainians did it (and these are people who would have been protesting about the Colombian government killing 6k+ in the false positives). A quick skim through some of their profiles that are public turn up posts from RT or from Russian tourist agencies promoting the country...
For goodness sake.
Why can't we have nice things?
For goodness sake.
Thanks for that though. I'd been trying to find out more about him, thought he seemed pretty sound so far.
Yeah, I'm thinking of people that identify as left.
I took as read we weren't discussing Salmond et al, should have made that clear. Would be a bit like assuming I was talking about the Labour party.
Actually, the discussion on the 'Solidarity with Ukraine' thread on the Barrows Supporters site is overall a lot better than here. No tank spotting weirdos , part-time military strategy bods, no calls to bomb Russia or start a nuclear war, no obsessive I won't rest until we find absolutely the right line on this conflict, and a distinct lack of megaphone type posters.
Thanks for clarifying that, but plenty of us crisp eating easties watching normals still identify as left. I bet you do.
