The Political Philosophy of Brexit

[isvicthere?]

Trust us. Go on you fuckers. Trust us.

It's easy to mock. but societies with a high level of trust generally tend to have lower levels of negative things like crime and mental illness.

 

[Xenonxenon]

Anarchists should be about society. Society is all that matters. No such thing as families, states, Gods. Only society, and all society is anarchist. Pissing about debating over voting systems, `democracy`, which system is best, how did you vote, all bullshit.
What has this done to our society, what will it do now? Will it improve it?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Anarchists should be about society. Society is all that matters. No such thing as families, states, Gods. Only society, and all society is anarchist. Pissing about debating over voting systems, `democracy`, which system is best, how did you vote, all bullshit.
What has this done to our society, what will it do now? Will it improve it?

What on earth are you waffling on about?

 

[two sheds]

We all know there's no such thing as society

 

[Casually Red]

Yes, true, Ireland are arguably amongst the happiest to be in the EU.
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Not according to the 2 referenda with clear majorities against the Nice and Lisbon treaties. Both of whom were overturned . And the EU insistence on bond holders being paid, with devastating consequences for the people . It's a bit more complicated than that .

 

[kabbes]

I'm not convinced there is a single underlying philosophy behind Brexit. Seems to me that there was a whole spectrum of reasons that people had for wanting to leave, all the way from ultra-right nationalism through to anti-neoliberal solidarity.

It's remaining in the EU that requires a particular political philosophy. That's where you'll find a uniformity of view. That requires a buy-in to the ideals of the EU, which is philosophy by definition.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not convinced there is a single underlying philosophy behind Brexit. Seems to me that there was a whole spectrum of reasons that people had for wanting to leave, all the way from ultra-right nationalism through to anti-neoliberal solidarity.

It's remaining in the EU that requires a particular political philosophy. That's where you'll find a uniformity of view. That requires a buy-in to the ideals of the EU, which is philosophy by definition.

I agree that there is no single idea behind brexit. However, I don't think you're right about remain. A good number of people voted remain simply because they thought leave was worse, not out of any deep, or even shallow, affection for the EU. It's quite possible, for instance, to have voted remain in a spirit of anti-neoliberal solidarity.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Can anyone still argue for remain in a spirit of anti-neoliberal solidarity given the current context where we are seeing the european commission, Junckers and co, ignoring the spanish state's violence against peaceful voters in Catalonia, ignoring and openly supporting the suppression and imprisonment of Catalonia's elected representatives, as well as pacifist civilian activists and generally ignoring a dangerous rise in anti democratic fascistic behavour and impune physical attacks in Spain as a whole, not to mention the tacit and open support for what is europe's most corrupt government to date (1000 accused, including the prime minister). Junckers collected an award in Spain last week, two days after M.Rajoy was named by the chief investigator of the massive Gurtel corruption case, yet, he still gave the PP mafia his support. No ethics, no integrity, just straightforward capitalist interests, backed up by violence and disgusting contempt for human rights.

Can anyone still argue for remain in a spirit...?

 

[teuchter]

Does the UK leaving the EU reduce or increase the likelihood of the commission to continue to behave in the ways you are saying it does?

 

[Santino]

Does the UK leaving the EU reduce or increase the likelihood of the commission to continue to behave in the ways you are saying it does?

Reduce, because it might hasten the demise of the EU.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I agree that there is no single idea behind brexit. However, I don't think you're right about remain. A good number of people voted remain simply because they thought leave was worse, not out of any deep, or even shallow, affection for the EU. It's quite possible, for instance, to have voted remain in a spirit of anti-neoliberal solidarity.

Wrong, not voting was anti-neoliberal solidarity if you didn't want to vote leave.

Remain arguments were all premised on a reform logic. but neoliberalism isn't something that can be reformed.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

The EU as it is needs to leave. It acts like entitled royalty. Summed up nicely when it ordered 100odd Merc limos when it could have ordered people carriers for third of the price. It needs to be replaced by a looser group of friendly nations within a free trade area.

Folk around me in Clacton voted to leave mostly because they cannot see the point of the EU. Within 30secs of speaking to most of them they will be ranting about immigrants using the NHS. This despite there being few immigrants in Clacton due to there being few available jobs. The more obstructive the EU becomes the more the leavers believe they were right to vote leave.

Obviously the EU should respect the democratic vote in the UK & work with the UK for the best outcome but if it did this would cause other countries to want to leave. So the EU shows itself as an undemocratic & anti democratic neoliberal construct. The UK elite want remain because they want to preserve this.