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The NCCL, Harriet Harman and government funded childmolester propaganda.

121 had issues with some "sex positive" group meeting there in the 90s that turned out to be nonce friendly iirc.

They got kicked out too.

( There was some connection with Green Anarchist too, I think. For an anarcho-loon full house.)
 
Christian Wolmar did a good interview on World at One (radio 4) just now. Seems that "Release" charity shared postal address with PIE for a bit then realised what they were about and told them to fuck off.
Hmm,the less said about Christian the better.If I remember rightly Rising Free also were involved in the box number shenanigans.
 
US "anarchist" and "anti-political" publisher Ardent Press have republished all the distasteful discussions in Anarchy a Journal of Desire Armed about child sexuality in a new pamphlet.
 
Also from me I now realise what I posted about Wolmar could be misinterpreted, I wasn't trying to label anyone at all.
 
Back to the matter in hand, the guy on the World At One from the Daily Mail reckoned that PIE had cropped up in connection with the fallout from the Savile case, which is why they were reporting on it now.

That could well be the DM covering up for a political attack, so I dunno.
 
she is attacking the Mail on twitter

Harriet Harman ‏@HarrietHarman 42m
When it comes to decency and sexualisation of children, would you take lessons from the Daily Mail? pic.twitter.com/MXmWhOILKQ




i've said it on the other thread i am sure but Patricia Hewitt - this stuff, Islington and then Childrens Minister. ffs. no shame.
Ummm .....if she considers this an example of child porn doesn't this make her a distributer with intent ?
 
Which goes some way to illustrating that PIE had successfully managed to mask their intent to anyone who didn't specifically know what they were about.

Ah c'mon, this is hardly credible. First question someone asks generally when presented with an acronym, what's it stand for.

I accept they were probably reviled by the majority of leftwing activists. But this does still underline what a crock of shit Harman and her ilk are.
 
Not being funny, but back in the mid to late '70s, very few people (compared to nowadays) knew the word "paedophile" and fully understood what it meant.
absolutely. child abuse simply wasn't talked about, there was some mention of 'kiddy-fiddlers' and flashers, but that was it. It was all so vague - trying to say anything else would bring Mary Whitehouse and the Daily Mail down on you like a ton of bricks. A word like 'paedophilia' just never got used in 'normal' language (too long, too latin).

Of course the DM were campaigning against sex education in schools at the same time, against children getting information that would have protected them from, uhhh, paedophiles!
 
Not being funny, but back in the mid to late '70s, very few people (compared to nowadays) knew the word "paedophile" and fully understood what it meant.
true - the word was rarely mentioned - I was a teenager then and kiddy fiddler was how it was described and it was usually in a jokey way - I remember hearing about PIE - and I'm sure there was some stories flying about which suggested Tory ministers were protecting them - I remember something about <ed: name removed> :hmm:
 
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true - the word was rarely mentioned - I was a teenager then and kiddy fiddler was how it was described and it was usually in a jokey way
Still makes me cringe whenever I see.

It's all too easy for us looking back and making judgements on what groups didn't do what.

At the time I was part of a newly formed gay teenagers group, which then became the Gay Youth Movement - when PIE approached us for support we told them to fuck off.
 
The kids who were abused by paedophiles had a pretty good idea. :(

I disagree on two counts here. Firstly why would they? No-one I knew would have even recognised the word 'Paedophile'. It simply wasn't in our lexicon.

and secondly...
Not all sexual encounters with nonces are necessarily traumatic.

I remember sitting in a pub, aged about 17, with 3 mates (one old schoolfriend and two Uni students). After I had regaled them with a couple of near-miss incidents from my own childhood, all of them had a tale to tell of an encounter with a 'perv' or two (none too serious, none too traumatic, thank God).

That does not lessen the pain and trauma of those who were less fortunate - but most of my mates would have had some kind of encounter with (at least) a flasher.

Part of the problem for me these days is that there is apparently one homogenous mass called 'paedophiles' who need to be burnt at the stake - with very little by way of distinction between someone who fancies pubescent girls and someone who rapes little kids.

e2a - or indeed between some misfortunate/inadequate willy-waver from a professional who abuses their position of trust/authority to prey on vulnerable kids.
 
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There was plenty that was awful in those day regarding sexual politics. if you ever find a copy of a compendium of Forum magazine (available at the time in WH Smith's)you will be regaled with tales of people fantasizing of fucking their children and worse.

As for the Daily Mail shit stirring, why criticise them over this? The shit deserves to be stirred up and thrown in Harman's face. Does anyone think the DM would not attack a Tory on this issue?

Good grief, Alistair C******* used to write for Forum magazine.
 
From the 1950s, i can remember being involved in two 'non traumatic' sexual encounters with adult men. i was nine years old. i was with mates of the same age. my mum was angry and upset when i told her. She called in the police. That was when things became traumatic..

BTW, not defending PIE, or noncery, or anything remotely approaching that - just recognising that LiamO has a point.
 
From the 1950s, i can remember being involved in two 'non traumatic' sexual encounters with adult men. i was nine years old. i was with mates of the same age. my mum was angry and upset when i told her. She called in the police. That was when things became traumatic..

BTW, not defending PIE, or noncery, or anything remotely approaching that - just recognising that LiamO has a point.
I'd like to be clearer about what's classified as "non traumatic" and how that's measured.
 
Ok, what kinds of sexual encounters from paedophiles do you consider "not very traumatic" for the children?

here's 4 off the top of my head. Loads of kids I grew up with had similar tales.

1. My mate Kev and another kid were playing where they should not have been. They were 'caught' by some bloke who told them they would be in big trouble unless...

Geezer made them show him their willies and had a tug (of his own) while they stood there and IIRC may also have asked Kev to give him a hand.

2. Any number of socially inadequate 'flashers' myself or my mates encountered in Parks, flashing busesd as they drove by etc. We thought they were funny as fuck - at a safe distance.

and two near misses...

3. Me and a mate (aged about 12) went into the bogs in a park. P was having a piss. This fella came out of the cubicle, stood beside P and made out he was just having a slash. Then looks over at P's pee-pee and says
'You've got a big one for a young lad, haven't you?'
'You what?'
'fancy coming in there for a wank?'
We just legged it.

Unfortunately for yer man we were on our way to a Youth Clunb mob-handed - including some 13/14 year olds. Whne he emerged a few minutes later he had to leg it as stones and half-bricks bounced off him.

No-one thought it was a big deal. No-one even suggested reporting the incident.

4. I was at a family Christening in a Pub backroom aged 11. My brother (14) was getting some older kids to sneak him Halves of lager. he had them hidden under his pork-pie hat on the table. I demanded some. he told me to fuck off. I threatened to tell me Ma. he said 'here then you little cunt, but don't blame me if you get caught'. I drank at least one and maybe two.

30 mins later I was up on the stage with the band, singing. My mother, who never took a drink in her life, was mortified, and took me out to the car. After a while I needed a piss and went back into the pub to use the toilet. A few minutes later I came down the steps hand-in-hand with some stranger. When my Mum challenged him with @where are you taking that child?' he replied
'To his mother'
'I'm his mother, now you better fuck off before I fetch his Dad and his Uncles'.

To this day I am so glad of two things. Firstly that she was there to save me and secondly that she had the (sober) presence of mind not to send for the men who were attending the Christening - as they were all drunk and would have ended up in Jail for kicking the cunt half to death.

Again, nobody even considered reporting the incident - especially given the cut of the (almost) victim.

None of these incidents was particularly unusual. None were traumatic (although the last one occasionally gives me the horrors). None were considered worthy of reporting to the Police. We just regarded them as part of growing up/ learning life's lessons.
 
I'd like to be clearer about what's classified as "non traumatic" and how that's measured.

It is often entirely subjective.

On a 0-10 SUDs (Subjective Unit of distress) scale I would rate incident 1 @ a 4 (according to Kev); 2 @ a 1; incident 3 @ a 3 (given we knew we had 12 mates outside) and No. 4 @ a 1 at the time for me and a 9 for my dear departed mother.
 
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