The most working-class anarchist group is...

[Pickman's model]

Do you honestly think that I or anybody else would waste time searching the archives of a board like this for threads you've started about the SWP?

The title of this board? What have apolitical threads about the SWP got to do with UK Politics? (You admit above that many of them are apolitical.)

if you can't produce a single example from the 10,000 threads you claim above i've started, then i'll have to consider you a bit of a liar.

 

[LLETSA]

if you can't produce a single example from the 10,000 threads you claim above i've started, then i'll have to consider you a bit of a liar.

Ten thousand posts I meant. My mistake. 'S a lot though innit, especially when you consider how many of them are about that number one problem for the international working class, the SWP?

An example? The one that you started a couple of nights ago - still above or below somewhere. When you started two on the same subject (evidence of an obsession?) only for one to be deleted.

Don't you think that your diverting of this thread down the road of a discussion about yourself might be further evidence of the general apoliticism you often spread throughout the board? (I remind you of the title....)

 

[Pickman's model]

Ten thousand posts I meant. My mistake. 'S a lot though innit, especially when you consider how many of them are about that number one problem for the international working class, the SWP?

An example? The one that you started a couple of nights ago - still above or below somewhere. When you started two on the same subject (evidence of an obsession?) only for one to be deleted.

Don't you think that your diverting of this thread down the road of a discussion about yourself might be further evidence of the general apoliticism you often spread throughout the board? (I remind you of the title....)

you've produced one thread you can't recall the title or subject of and expect me to accept that? i don't believe that that sort of sub-anecdotal evidence proves a fucking thing. nor does yr slur that i "spread" "apoliticism" throughout the board. just cos you say something, doesn't make it true. and when you can't produce a shred of evidence to substantiate yr claims, yr position is somewhat undermined. it's been the same throughout this thread where yr strong on allegation and very short on anything to back up yr assertions.

 

[montevideo]

He's never slagged off me.

Anyway, have we come to any sort of conclusion as to who is the most working class anarchist group?

As I have said before there are individuals on here who I would have no problem working with and who would be definately be an assett. However there are others who clearly don't see the working class as being central and others who say they do but have no real connection with them politically.

As for Class War. It's dead isn't it?

hope that's not the royal 'we' you're using there chuck?

Central to what? Building the party? Having a pop at the council? Being central to fucking what!!?

If you consider some anarchists an asset to your particular brand of leftism, then sadly i have to agree with you.

 

[LLETSA]

you've produced one thread you can't recall the title or subject of and expect me to accept that? i don't believe that that sort of sub-anecdotal evidence proves a fucking thing. nor does yr slur that i "spread" "apoliticism" throughout the board. just cos you say something, doesn't make it true. and when you can't produce a shred of evidence to substantiate yr claims, yr position is somewhat undermined. it's been the same throughout this thread where yr strong on allegation and very short on anything to back up yr assertions.

Okay okay. I can see now that you are not the slightest bit interested in yourself when it comes to the content of what you post on this board. Your constant abbreviation of 'your' to 'yr' is clear proof that when it comes to the class struggle you are a man at least in as much of a hurry as Lenin.

 

[montevideo]

Okay okay. I can see now that you aree not the slightest bit interested in yourself when it comes to the content of what you post on this board. Your constant abbreviation of 'your' to 'yr' is clear proof that when it comes to the class struggle you are a man at least in as much of a hurry as Lenin.

as would be checking yr spelling no?

 

[Pickman's model]

Okay okay. I can see now that you are not the slightest bit interested in yourself when it comes to the content of what you post on this board. Your constant abbreviation of 'your' to 'yr' is clear proof that when it comes to the class struggle you are a man at least in as much of a hurry as Lenin.

and on that note i think we can nail down the coffin-lid.

 

[LLETSA]

as would be checking yr spelling no?

Beet you too it.

 

[LLETSA]

i agree i have started some apolitical threads - in books, health, community and so on - but i didn't think we were talking about other fora.

do you understand now?

No - you do it on this one as well.

 

[montevideo]

No - you do it on this one as well.

just so we know where we stand, your politics are....?

(as brief or indepth as you like. Relate it to anarchism & its faults if you like).

This is third time i've asked you directly about your politics.

 

[LLETSA]

i can't think of anything memorable you posted there.

you also seem to be confusing posting here with political activity irl. why?

Everything I posted there was a statement on behalf of the working class. As is everything that I post here. Something that I hadn't realised until it was pointed out to me by the Guardians of the Faith when I made an innocuous criticism of anarchism.

 

[Pickman's model]

No - you do it on this one as well.

have you some sort of memory problem?

we've been through this, you produced fuck all evidence to substantiate yr allegation, and that's where we left it. now, if you have suddenly happened upon something you can produce, then for fuck's sake OUT WITH IT.

 

[LLETSA]

just so we know where we stand, your politics are....?

(as brief or indepth as you like. Relate it to anarchism & its faults if you like).

This is third time i've asked you directly about your politics.

" Me? I'm an anarchist babe. An' I'll be an anarchist till the day I die..."

 

[LLETSA]

have you some sort of memory problem?

we've been through this, you produced fuck all evidence to substantiate yr allegation, and that's where we left it. now, if you have suddenly happened upon something you can produce, then for fuck's sake OUT WITH IT.

Jesus, go and have a bevvy or something eh?

's Friday afternoon.

 

[montevideo]

" Me? I'm an anarchist babe. An' I'll be an anarchist till the day I die..."

take that as a declined offer then. I can see how you got the better of the bnp types, with that kind of robust defence of your particular brand of leftism.

 

[Pickman's model]

take that as a declined offer then. I can see how you got the better of the bnp types, with that kind of robust defence of your particular brand of leftism.

some years ago, i visited a university-owned house in highgate. it seemed that the house had come with a tied tenant, a lady who threw any gone-off food out the window into the garden. the last i heard, the university had sold the house in part to rid themselves of the pesky tenant.

it would not surprise me if the red action boards had been shut down - in part - for a similar reason, to banish lletsa's unwelcome posts.

 

[The Black Hand]

Don't put it in a reply to me then if you don't want me to answer.

Sorry son, i post as i please and you certainly ain't gonna stop me

 

[The Black Hand]

Again, i do not see anarchism as an end, a goal, the ultimate solution, but a method in which we work.

If we are to recognise class as one of relationship, not only one we have towards the means of production but with every other person who exists, so class articulates itself through a commonality of experience, by means in which common interest is sought & identified, both between ourselves but also towards those whose interests are antagonistic & in opposition to ours. This happens through experience, awareness, realisation & ultimately self-acknowledgement. I am working class not because i choose it as a category but because of the sum total accumulation of my experiences. People experience class culturally, politically, socially & intellectually, but it is experienced as a relationship. Class then is not a position we hold, but one we live through.This is what I believe. And to develop it further, and paraphrasing EP Thompson, and Karl Marx;

'people make history through moral choice, but they do not do so exactly as they please, they make it in conditions inherited and transmitted from the past'....

Go on Letsa, try engaging with real ideas such as the above, rather than the purile repetition that is your usual crap.

You forgot to reply to this letsa, and I will continue to remind you until you do. As a self proclaimed spokesman for the entire working class, you know what they all think/feel/experience after all, so you should have no problem with a sensible position on the above???? (smirks, grins, laughs - oh the fun of these boards) not...

 

[The Black Hand]

So why do you continue doing so?

To prove I was right to myself and to anybody else watching...

 

[The Black Hand]

Everything I posted there was a statement on behalf of the working class. As is everything that I post here. Something that I hadn't realised until it was pointed out to me by the Guardians of the Faith when I made an innocuous criticism of anarchism.

The above post contains; Pseudo sincerity, 'my role is thrust upon me', Martyr seeking, fake innocence...

It is therefore; BULLSHIT

 

[Pickman's model]

The above post contains; Pseudo sincerity, 'my role is thrust upon me', Martyr seeking, fake innocence...

It is therefore; BULLSHIT

is that the real tbh or the fake one?

 

[LLETSA]

The above post contains; Pseudo sincerity, 'my role is thrust upon me', Martyr seeking, fake innocence...

It is therefore; BULLSHIT

No - it was a joke.

Just a joke.

Sigh.

 

[LLETSA]

is that the real tbh or the fake one?

Again, the very fact that you have to even ask such a question says it all....

 

[LLETSA]

take that as a declined offer then. I can see how you got the better of the bnp types, with that kind of robust defence of your particular brand of leftism.

I have no intention of presenting my personal political manifesto a la Flowers in the Attica and certain others. But there is no need to; for what it is worth I have already made it clear, in this thread and others, what I agree with politically. Perhaps you only see what you want to see.

The old left is dead. Anarchism as a movement never got started. Both could probably go on repeating the same old stuff and doing the same old things ad infinitum. As far as I am concerned, the only group that truly recognises that times have changed since the seventies and eighties and is thus in any way viable is the IWCA. (This is not to say that individual anarchists do not see the need to organise in the same way.)

 

[Pickman's model]

the only group that truly recognises that times have changed since the seventies and eighties and is thus in any way viable is the IWCA.

so, in yr view, red action wasted a fuck of a lot of time chasing fascists and supporting the ira?

 

[LLETSA]

so, in yr view, red action wasted a fuck of a lot of time chasing fascists and supporting the ira?

No. But what's that got to do with anything I say in my last post?

 

[Pickman's model]

No. But what's that got to do with anything I say in my last post?

why is electoralism so good?

 

[Pickman's model]

No. But what's that got to do with anything I say in my last post?

ra only changed from their fash-bashing and 'ra -supporting in the mid-90s. you seem to suggest they should have done so five or six years earlier.

 

[LLETSA]

why is electoralism so good?

Where do I say that electoralism is particularly good? Or even mention it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Where do I say that electoralism is particularly good? Or even mention it?

do you support the iwca's participation in local government elections?