The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of Thousands of Seats

[Hotel Chocolate]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

 

[Smangus]

Boo fucking hoo.

 

[tim]

Just as well given how evil Cyril Smith, Jeremy Thorpe and Clement Freud were.

And never forget that David Steele gave Ceacescu a Labrador.

 

[Calamity1971]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats. The most robbed political party in Britain.

What's this fucking gibberish shite?

 

[JimW]

Still, they got to return the favour by robbing the rest of us the one time they did get a sniff of power.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

What's this fucking gibberish shite?

Well, I got that AI thing to write this out for me:

The Liberal Democrats, also known as the Liberals, have missed out on thousands of seats. Had seats been allocated proportionally, the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have lost thousands since the war. Specifically, since 1992, the Liberal Democrats have missed out on 791 seats, equivalent to an entire parliament. They are arguably the most disadvantaged political party in Britain.

Is that better?

 

[colacubes]

They got a referendum on an alternative voting system and totally failed to convince the country to vote for it. So tough titty.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Just a note the Alternative Vote is not proportional, it's preferential.

 

[colacubes]

Yep. And Nick Clegg wanted a ref on PR but agreed to AV to be part of the coalition. So it’s their fault.

 

[two sheds]

ChatGPT is bullshit - Ethics and Information Technology

Recently, there has been considerable interest in large language models: machine learning systems which produce human-like text and dialogue. Applications of these systems have been plagued by persistent inaccuracies in their output; these are often called “AI hallucinations”. We argue that...

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[brogdale]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

If you want to talk about electoral reform maybe post in an existing thread or start a new one, but this bleating is just pitiful. Also, in 2010 - 2015 it was possible to discern what Liberal Democrats in positions of power were like.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

mmm...

 

[Pickman's model]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

Well, I got that AI thing to write this out for me:

The Liberal Democrats, also known as the Liberals, have missed out on thousands of seats. Had seats been allocated proportionally, the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have lost thousands since the war. Specifically, since 1992, the Liberal Democrats have missed out on 791 seats, equivalent to an entire parliament. They are arguably the most disadvantaged political party in Britain.

Is that better?

Lib dems - whining here

 

[Pickman's model]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

Well, I got that AI thing to write this out for me:

The Liberal Democrats, also known as the Liberals, have missed out on thousands of seats. Had seats been allocated proportionally, the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have lost thousands since the war. Specifically, since 1992, the Liberal Democrats have missed out on 791 seats, equivalent to an entire parliament. They are arguably the most disadvantaged political party in Britain.

Is that better?

Go on, make the argument then

 

[The39thStep]

From the FT

Even with a less extreme result, it is likely that the Lib Dems could win around 50 seats on a lower share of the vote than Reform, which ends up with a few seats at best.

 

[Voley]

Yep. And Nick Clegg wanted a ref on PR but agreed to AV to be part of the coalition. So it’s their fault.

I really think he had a chance to improve our democracy there. If he'd held out for that demand alone, he could've had a decent legacy rather than the pathetic one he's ended up with.

 

[Silas Loom]

Indeed.

Why did AV need a referendum when the Tories simply legislated to change mayoral election systems to FPTP in the hope of improving their chances? It wasn’t even a manifesto commitment.

 

[Pickman's model]

Back in the mid 90s I met the lib dem charles anglin, later a lib dem cllr in Lambeth. This thread reminded me of him and I see he's moved to Africa - Charles Anglin – VAfrica

Very strange.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed.

Why did AV need a referendum when the Tories simply legislated to change mayoral election systems to FPTP in the hope of improving their chances? It wasn’t even a manifesto commitment.

2010 Lib dem manifesto pp. 87-88 - change to stv. Maybe they felt a change to parliamentary elections needed a referendum but it was the most lacklustre shit thing I'd seen up to that point

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Anytime you feel sorry for the Lib Dem’s, just remember they’re the Lib Dem’s, and laugh instead.

 

[tommers]

ChatGPT is bullshit - Ethics and Information Technology

Recently, there has been considerable interest in large language models: machine learning systems which produce human-like text and dialogue. Applications of these systems have been plagued by persistent inaccuracies in their output; these are often called “AI hallucinations”. We argue that...

link.springer.com

Thank you for this. It's clarified a lot of things.

 

[two sheds]

yes for me too

 

[danny la rouge]

And never forget that David Steele gave Ceacescu a Labrador.

Never forget? I never knew!

Was it so another LibDem could shoot it?

 

[danny la rouge]

Yep. And Nick Clegg wanted a ref on PR but agreed to AV to be part of the coalition. So it’s their fault.

Yup. AV isn’t PR, it’s less proportionate than FPTP! It was absolutely cringe-inducing watching Clegg try to defend it. And in doing so he put PR off the agenda for the foreseeable. That should tell you everything you need to know about the LibDems.

 

[DotCommunist]

great news to wake up to, long may the party of cyril smith continue to be denied

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Cyril Smith was a member of the Labour Party as well.

"Smith was first active in local politics as a Liberal in 1945 before switching to Labour in 1950; he served as a Labour councillor in Rochdale, Lancashire, from 1950 and became mayor in 1966."

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

I think everybody's missing the point. People's voices are being squeezed out by a nasty, selfish, totally out-of-date dilapidated corrupt electoral system. Our voices are not being heard.

I don't vote Liberal Democrat, but I do feel sorry for them And see that they have a point.

 

[brogdale]

I think everybody's missing the point. People's voices are being squeezed out by a nasty, selfish, totally out-of-date dilapidated corrupt electoral system. Our voices are not being heard.

I don't vote Liberal Democrat, but I do feel sorry for them And see that they have a point.

Parliamentary democracy is designed to squeeze out people’s voices.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

yes, exactly.

 

[Serge Forward]

And never forget that David Steele gave Ceacescu a Labrador.

Which Jeremy Thorpe had shot.