RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Bet your life didn't go as wrong in the '90s as mine did. Made me the cunt I am now.
The Kiss Your Arse Goodbye Thread
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RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Here's a poser for you. What does the west backing down mean?
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Know no more than you. But somebody had better back down at some point.
I would guess close to fuck all. He's dependant on Putin. not the other way round. Has to look like the hardman hatchet guy to keep his own side in line.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Perhaps. But none of us know. And if Putin is as desperate as he's reported to be, who knows who he's listening to?
Humberto
Justice is order
Scared?
Humberto
Justice is order
Shut the fuck up.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Well, a bit maybe, yeah. In the1980s I took succour from The Miltant's confidence (although not a member, I was impressed by their 'Scouse' delivery and confident air) that neither side would seek the destruction of their own economic systems and societies.
Things have become a lot less rational in the subsequent period. The rational USSR is gone, replaced by people who have evolved into mystical nationalists, while in the West we are ruled by student union politicians who think peace comes through war.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I've had a bevvy again as well, but is it really necessary? Get a grip.
Humberto
Justice is order
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Kadryovite forces are adept at terrorising unarmed civilians by way of torture, rape and murder for shits and giggles but even Wagner mercs have dim views of their prowess as actual fighters, in Ukraine and Syria.
There's always been at best unease and at worst barely concealed mutual contempt between Russians and the 'pro-Russian' Chechens Putin used to cow the republic into submission, and of course Ramzan got his power and riches, but his position isn't so secure these days, is it? He needs this war. Is it true that the FSB sneakily passed information to the Ukrainian defence ministry so the airforce could annihilate a Kadyrovite column en-route to Kyiv back in Feb/March?
There's always been at best unease and at worst barely concealed mutual contempt between Russians and the 'pro-Russian' Chechens Putin used to cow the republic into submission, and of course Ramzan got his power and riches, but his position isn't so secure these days, is it? He needs this war. Is it true that the FSB sneakily passed information to the Ukrainian defence ministry so the airforce could annihilate a Kadyrovite column en-route to Kyiv back in Feb/March?
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Yes, makes you wonder. I remember what the Russians I met in Moscow 1990-91 used to say about the Chechens and Georgians-the latter being 'Chorniye' (blacks). They were 'mafia' before the Russian mafia was properly a thing, as they say these days... It was common and normal to flag down random cars for a lift at the time, and I remember being told never to get in a car with 'Chorniye' (it was young 'liberals' telling me this.) 'Notice how the taxi drivers never stop for Chorniye?' I was asked while travelling through central Moscow in a car (yes, it was a Lada, and the driver was very proud to own one). 'They can't be trusted to pay, and are always trouble.' Chechens, meanwhile, seemed to be beyond the pale. This in a society that was educated in 'communist' anti-colonialism and anti-racism.
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Humberto
Justice is order
Every thread about you. Wind ya knack in.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
It was to illustrate a point made by another poster about the Russian attitude to the former SU minorities.
Humberto
Justice is order
Aight
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Heard anti-Chechen racism in Moscow. Criminals, lowlife thugs and crooks, can't be trusted etc. Georgians in a similar vein regarding organised crime.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Lots of Russians seemed to love the food in Georgian restaurants, meanwhile (those restaurants were... an experience in '90-91.) 'The best restaurant is your own kitchen now,' I was told (by somebody with good black market access). 'You go to a restaurant and you never know. At the next table there might be, you know, the man with the gun...'
Maybe this is tangentially related to kissing your arse goodbye...
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Russians are fond of Georgian wine too.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Wish we could more readily get it here. Can't easily go to the Russian/Ukrainian shops anymore, due to being a recognised Putinbot.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
There'd be no fucking thread at all if not for me. You can always go listen to the experts on other threads who tell you we're safe because Russian nuclear weapons don't work. All stated confidently, as if they actually know.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine
Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’
'Senator Marco Rubio, the ranking Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee told CNN that Putin was down to two choices: established defensive lines or withdraw and lose territory.
Rubio said he believed it “quite possible” that Putin could strike distribution points where US and allied supplies are entering Ukraine, including inside Poland. The senator acknowledged the nuclear threat, but he said most worries about “a Russian attack inside Nato territory, for example, aiming at the airport in Poland or some other distribution point”.
“Nato will have to respond to it,” he said. “How it will respond, I think a lot of it will depend on the nature of the attack and the scale and scope of it.”
But as a senator privy to Pentagon briefings, Rubio resisted being drawn on whether he’d seen evidence that Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
“Certainly, the risk is probably higher today than it was a month ago,” Rubio said, predicting that Russia would probably take an intermediate step.
“He may strike one of these logistical points. And that logistical point may not be inside … Ukraine. To me, that is the area that I focus on the most, because it has a tactical aspect to it. And I think he probably views it as less escalatory. Nato may not.” '
maomao
普費斯
I think he thinks that Putin thinks a conventional attack in Poland would be less escalatory than a nuclear attack in Ukraine.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
Yeah. Let's hope Putin doesn't actually think that...
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine
Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’www.theguardian.com
'Senator Marco Rubio, the ranking Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee told CNN that Putin was down to two choices: established defensive lines or withdraw and lose territory.
Rubio said he believed it “quite possible” that Putin could strike distribution points where US and allied supplies are entering Ukraine, including inside Poland. The senator acknowledged the nuclear threat, but he said most worries about “a Russian attack inside Nato territory, for example, aiming at the airport in Poland or some other distribution point”.
“Nato will have to respond to it,” he said. “How it will respond, I think a lot of it will depend on the nature of the attack and the scale and scope of it.”
But as a senator privy to Pentagon briefings, Rubio resisted being drawn on whether he’d seen evidence that Russia is preparing to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
“Certainly, the risk is probably higher today than it was a month ago,” Rubio said, predicting that Russia would probably take an intermediate step.
“He may strike one of these logistical points. And that logistical point may not be inside … Ukraine. To me, that is the area that I focus on the most, because it has a tactical aspect to it. And I think he probably views it as less escalatory. Nato may not.” '
If we get to the position above (Russian use of a nuclear weapon that gets a massive conventional response) I imagine the Russian response will be a large scale nuclear one, I can't see any other realistic outcome? Their conventional forces will be fucked, they'll have the choice to either completely capitulate or 'surrender' (even if it's not called that) or escalate with what they have left.
I guess the calculation is they know what the response will be, so hopefully they see 'sense', look for ways out of the current situation and find a way to somehow declare it a victory of sorts.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
his next thread's already stamped 'guaranteed pre-fucked'
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Given the reports about Putin's state of health, I would be placing no bets on rational behaviour on his part.
The concept of using battlefield nuclear weapons is not new, they were pencilled in for about day five had the Warsaw Pact invaded, and that was from the NATO side. We were told that USSR kit wasn't as good as ours etc etc etc but were also very aware of the 'Haig Doctrine' 'Of course we will win, we have more men', except this time it was the Warsaw pact who had more men, artillery, tanks etc, and more importantly, weren't dependant of getting the kit from the US, Canada, Australia etc by air or sea to the battlefront.
Ukraine has applied for NATO membership. If granted, then we would be committed to sending what troops we have.
The whole thing is a steaming pile of shit, driven by one man's ego. The only realistic hope is that one of Putin's people puts a bullet in his head, and Russia withdraws from Ukraine.
The concept of using battlefield nuclear weapons is not new, they were pencilled in for about day five had the Warsaw Pact invaded, and that was from the NATO side. We were told that USSR kit wasn't as good as ours etc etc etc but were also very aware of the 'Haig Doctrine' 'Of course we will win, we have more men', except this time it was the Warsaw pact who had more men, artillery, tanks etc, and more importantly, weren't dependant of getting the kit from the US, Canada, Australia etc by air or sea to the battlefront.
Ukraine has applied for NATO membership. If granted, then we would be committed to sending what troops we have.
The whole thing is a steaming pile of shit, driven by one man's ego. The only realistic hope is that one of Putin's people puts a bullet in his head, and Russia withdraws from Ukraine.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
My bet, fwiw (not much):
1. No one is going to use nukes.
2. NATO will not be admitting Ukraine any time in the foreseeable. Certainly not while this war is on.
3. Putin's annexation of the eastern territories was a Hail Mary pass because he doesn't want to/can't use nukes. This consultation on the boundaries of the 'annexed' territories is an admission of this.
4. Putin will be gone by Christmas.
5. Après lui, le déluge
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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