Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
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chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Thanks!
I don't know whether I really want this one, in fact, or whether I can be bothered to do enough homework.
It's really difficult to keep going! I have do some presentation or other, as usually with these things, it would seem.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
For this one, there is just the blind presentation, as it were. I had one recently where they make you do ons in advance and a blind one on the day! That's too much, IMHO.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
I kind of think you (one) shouldn't worry too much about whether you want the job before you've been for the interview. The world is full of really badly written job adverts, and sometimes they disguise good jobs working with nice people. IMO.
I'm looking for temp work for a month if anyone has any ideas. Admin type stuff. And I want to move more permanently as well.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I thought this as well, but I am starting to fret about it, because it is a relatively small field in which I work, and people talk to each other. So, I wonder whether I will get a reputation of applying for anything and everything, and if that might affect people's attitude to me.
Also, people do make assumptions about people depending on the job title, and, on the face of it, I have been at a senior level to all but one of the jobs I have applied for recently, even though some of them paid more than I was on, and had a lot more responsibility. Right now, I am heading off for an interview for a job which appears to be several grades junior to the one I left, and I think there is a perceived difficulty in how much responsibility and personal leeway I used to have, compared to an actively managed role such as this.
I think I am going to tell them, if asked, that I am looking around at what is out there, having been with my previous employer for nearly 14 years, so that I am applying for all jobs for which I think I am qualified.
We will see. I have to log out now, because I have totally failed to prepare for today's interview, and am panicking right now!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I've seen a good job advertised that I am thinking of applying for. It's maternity cover again (boo!) but the salary is good enough for me to finally find somewhere to live (yay!).
It's in a grammar school though. Tell me if I'm being a dick, but I don't really want to help a bunch of toffs get educated. It's not a fee paying school, but it IS selective. I'd rather help kids who need it. Is this a ridiculous attitude?
It's in a grammar school though. Tell me if I'm being a dick, but I don't really want to help a bunch of toffs get educated. It's not a fee paying school, but it IS selective. I'd rather help kids who need it. Is this a ridiculous attitude?
strung out
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I sympathise, but remember that it's not the kids who get to choose where they get sent to school, so it's better they have someone like you helping them out who might be able to introduce them to alternative ideas (possibly naïve of me), than someone who doesn't. The job will be taken by someone, so it may as well be you.
I went to a selective independent school and the teachers/staff who helped me to think differently were the ones who probably wouldn't have dreamed of sending their kids to a place like that.
I went to a selective independent school and the teachers/staff who helped me to think differently were the ones who probably wouldn't have dreamed of sending their kids to a place like that.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
not that i'm really looking in the security line, but I had to look at this to see what they wanted for the other half...
Half Man Mobile Patrol Security Officer
Half Man Mobile Patrol Security Officer
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F.O.A.D
hhmm, the interview i have for monday...been doing some research, and it seems others working for them, don;t have many good things to say about the company. It's a large company, but it seems that they work you to the core, treat you as a number rather than a person, and I can expect my private life to shrink whilst working for them. (Computacenter, anyone have any experiences?) BUT, it is managment level job, the pay is pretty good, and it looks like it could be a good place to get in, IF "my face fits" and that's one thing that people say, if your face doesn't fit, you will not settle in.
Writing out lots of notes and things to ask/answer questions. Anyone with NLP experiece like to help me out wording some of it? I'm trying to fit in as many embedded commands as possible, working within the milton model. (take it to PMs if you're willing to help)
How did you get on Guin?
Writing out lots of notes and things to ask/answer questions. Anyone with NLP experiece like to help me out wording some of it? I'm trying to fit in as many embedded commands as possible, working within the milton model. (take it to PMs if you're willing to help)
How did you get on Guin?
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Thanks for this, which I have just seen.
It wasn't and it didn't!
I am currently trying to complete another application form. I am finding it increasingly difficult.
This one is for the same people but a different job. I am struggling with one bit in particular, and I only have today to finish it....
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Not all grammar schools are full of toffs, and there are likely to be lots of kids there who need help, since they are selected by a process which is flawed and often inaccurate anyway!
Also, as others say, it is not the kids fault that have gone to a grammar school.
In fact, I went to a grammar school which I found out recently is still a grammar school! One of the reasons it succeeded is that it had a good, open and honest relationship with the other schools in the town, and even shared facilities with them, including the "secondary modern" school, and the "technical" school, as well as the boys' grammar school over the road. There was no sense that the kids at my school were toffs, or were better than those at the other schools. In fact, we were jealous because they had a swimming pool and better equipment for lots of classes. I am not sure what we had, other than the option to do O and A levels, but the kids from the other schools who showed aptitude for these, came across anyway. I don't know if this is still true, and I don't suppose this is the school you are looking at (although do share, in case it is!), and I am talking ancient history, so sorry for the minor derail...
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Is this NLP legit? Does it actually work?....keep us posted?
Anyway.
Been offered an interview in the New Year for a post I thought I had no chance with. Which is nice. Would mean relocating, but that's not the end of world. I expect it'll be well enough paid to make the move worth it. Still not confident that I have much of a chance with it so not gonna indulge in too much idle speculation about moving. But always good to get shortlisted.
Applied for a very interesting job that I'd really like. Not so well paid, I'd only break even for the year or two, and it's a bit of career tangent. But looks really exciting. Not short listing on this till the New Year though so more waiting.
Oh well. At least there's something to keep me going over the holiday lull.
xes
F.O.A.D
fuck'em, you didn't want it anyway (IIRC) and another interview gives you more experience in interviews. They don't know what they let go! Best of luck in this one you're appying for now. Any questions you're struggling with, whack'em up here and see if we can collectivly helpThanks for this, which I have just seen.
It wasn't and it didn't!
I am currently trying to complete another application form. I am finding it increasingly difficult.
This one is for the same people but a different job. I am struggling with one bit in particular, and I only have today to finish it....
(maybe we need an interview help thread)
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Badly, but thanks for asking.
I was conscious early on in the interview that I didn't warm to the panel member who is going to line manage this person. In fact, I couldn't understand the question she was asking, and had to ask her to repeat it, even though it was pretty damn obvious.
I got the feeling that she didn't like me, anyway.
Sorry I can't help with the NLP stuff - I am bloody useless at that, even though I had it in mind when I was preparing for the interview.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
"Your ability to present complex data analysis effectively to a range of audiences with differing levels of technical knowledge, both in writing and orally"fuck'em, you didn't want it anyway (IIRC) and another interview gives you more experience in interviews. They don't know what they let go! Best of luck in this one you're appying for now. Any questions you're struggling with, whack'em up here and see if we can collectivly help
The problem is that I think you need to know a bit more about me in order to answer it.
This is the only bit which is not yet complete....
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It's not ridiculous but...
As I'm sure I've said to you before, you're "just a worker". Taking a job at private or grammar school doesn't imply any support for those systems.
Jobs are too scarce at the moment to realistically pick and choose on "ethical" grounds.
Your priority has to be getting yourself into a secure position where you can build the skills and experience to be competitive in your field so that you have the best chance possible when the "dream" job does come up.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
"Liked" cos it's best in the long run to discover this at interview rather than on the job!
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Very true - I really don't think I could have worked for her.
But I so need a job! I know we all do, and that is what this thread is for...
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Dunno really. Serious 'toffs' will send their kids to private schools anyway.
Grammar schools tend overwhelmingly to get middle class kids (i.e. the ones who grew up in homes where they got a head start and possibly a bit of private tuition and such) rather than the ones who grew up in homes with less well educated / literate parents, as those kids, however intelligent, are mostly still catching up with the more advantaged ones by the time the "11+" declares them a failure at the age of 10...
You could at least bring a non-dickhead influence in to the life of these kids. Whether you will fit in with the ethos of such schools (I guess they vary, although some I've had dealings with have a 'we're pretending to be a public school' aura of dickishness from the top down.)
In circumstances like that, I try to make sure I have time to have a good mooch around the area (if I don't already know it) when I go for the interview. To see what it's like and get an idea if I could afford to live there / if I could face living there.
news from here is that I didn't get the job from last week's interview (although I'd come to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to do the shifts from here without a convoluted and lengthy journey)
Only option (apart from keep looking) seems to be the one that will involve relocating, and where the employer's crap HR people can't give me anything that will satisfy a potential landlord / agent until after I start, so will mean weeks in a B&B or some such.
Blargh.
I have a really bad feeling about this job, also a fear that it represents my last chance.
Aaaaaaaaaargh.
xes
F.O.A.D
I certainly will keep you posted! And i think NLP works, at least it should, hypnosis works, and this is all related and linked to it. It's just using the right words to try and show yourself in the best light, and trying to match the raport so that you become more favorable to the interviewer. At the moment I'm writing out answers to questions I may be asked (why do I want to work here, what are my strengths/weaknesses, what can I bring to the company...ect. I just want to word them so I come over as the best person. If all that takes is me laying my hand on a table whilst saying certain things, then it's worth a shot. And it's free, as I'm using all free stuff to learn this with.
An example of how this can work, would be something like this , if they ask if you have any questions, just say something like "If you hire me, when will you let me know" Nice and easy, but when you say the words "you hire me" you can leave a slight pause before saying it, and lay your hand on the table as you say it. (or do another hand guesture which highlights the embedded command) Layer the commands throughout the interview, so every question has something like "I can do xyz" or "I will find the best way to do xyz" So "I can do" or "I will find the best way" would be your commands, and you will highlight this with a hand guesture, or a tonal marking. tone your voice downward, to make a statement, tone it upward to pose a quesion.
A good way to layer embedded commands is within a story. So if they ask you something like "can you give us an example of a problem you dealt with" then you can go into one. Start it off with somrthing like "you know when you have xyz problem" this makes them think about it in a way that's personal to them, and then give what YOU did, and how YOU solved it, and what YOU learnt. use future tense "I will do this" or "I can do that" and "I take control by doing xyz". Also, causality links can help string it along in a hypnotic way. Things like "and then you" "as you know" "you might see" "which forces you to" "think about" "I understand" "I am aware that" "presuppose". ect, so you break up the commands with things like that, and keep your statements short, and rythmic. (milton model)
I'll let uou know how it works! It will be my first go at trying it, and I will be under pressure. But if I can get my answers written out, and learnt, then I'm in with a shot. I'm trying to keep it simple, but there's so much to learn! I am learning it, though.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I certainly agree with writing down answers in advance to possible questions they may ask, and I think I may have been more successful in at least some of the interviews I have had recently if I had done this, since I totally failed on the "things you didn't do so well and how you learnt from them" questions, even though these have been asked at more than one interview. Wasn't asked at my last interview, though
I also agree that the language used can convey a particular impression, and make people see that you are keen, and that you are someone they would like to work with. Not sure whether that is NLP, but I am prepared to give it a go as well!
I also agree that the language used can convey a particular impression, and make people see that you are keen, and that you are someone they would like to work with. Not sure whether that is NLP, but I am prepared to give it a go as well!
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Fortunately I already know the area very well. In fact I'll be there for a few days at some point over the holidays. So all good on that score.
xes
F.O.A.D
it's a big long question, with amny different answers (and as you say, you need to know more about you to answer it.) I'm sure you have examples of when you've presented date which was hard for a newb to understand. And you used your excelent conversation skills to get the message through, with your fantastic ability to break down complicated information, into something with any layman can understand. This could be something as easy as teaching an elderly relative to use a computer, or something more work related, training new staff to understand a computing issue. Which could encompass many different levels of understanding. But you with your skillz, made them all understand. present it as their problem, and your solution.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I decided not to apply to that job.
Didn't really fancy working in a grammar school for all the obvious reasons. Also, don't want to do another maternity cover cos I wouldn't be able to do much in the job.
I shall take my chances, for the time being, in non-selective schools.
Didn't really fancy working in a grammar school for all the obvious reasons. Also, don't want to do another maternity cover cos I wouldn't be able to do much in the job.
I shall take my chances, for the time being, in non-selective schools.
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