The job hunting support thread

[chilango]

I certainly will keep you posted! And i think NLP works, at least it should, hypnosis works, and this is all related and linked to it. It's just using the right words to try and show yourself in the best light, and trying to match the raport so that you become more favorable to the interviewer. At the moment I'm writing out answers to questions I may be asked (why do I want to work here, what are my strengths/weaknesses, what can I bring to the company...ect. I just want to word them so I come over as the best person. If all that takes is me laying my hand on a table whilst saying certain things, then it's worth a shot. And it's free, as I'm using all free stuff to learn this with.

An example of how this can work, would be something like this , if they ask if you have any questions, just say something like "If you hire me, when will you let me know" Nice and easy, but when you say the words "you hire me" you can leave a slight pause before saying it, and lay your hand on the table as you say it. (or do another hand guesture which highlights the embedded command) Layer the commands throughout the interview, so every question has something like "I can do xyz" or "I will find the best way to do xyz" So "I can do" or "I will find the best way" would be your commands, and you will highlight this with a hand guesture, or a tonal marking. tone your voice downward, to make a statement, tone it upward to pose a quesion.

A good way to layer embedded commands is within a story. So if they ask you something like "can you give us an example of a problem you dealt with" then you can go into one. Start it off with somrthing like "you know when you have xyz problem" this makes them think about it in a way that's personal to them, and then give what YOU did, and how YOU solved it, and what YOU learnt. use future tense "I will do this" or "I can do that" and "I take control by doing xyz". Also, causality links can help string it along in a hypnotic way. Things like "and then you" "as you know" "you might see" "which forces you to" "think about" "I understand" "I am aware that" "presuppose". ect, so you break up the commands with things like that, and keep your statements short, and rythmic. (milton model)

I'll let uou know how it works! It will be my first go at trying it, and I will be under pressure. But if I can get my answers written out, and learnt, then I'm in with a shot. I'm trying to keep it simple, but there's so much to learn! I am learning it, though.

Actually sounds interesting.

 

[xes]

I certainly agree with writing down answers in advance to possible questions they may ask, and I think I may have been more successful in at least some of the interviews I have had recently if I had done this, since I totally failed on the "things you didn't do so well and how you learnt from them" questions, even though these have been asked at more than one interview. Wasn't asked at my last interview, though

I also agree that the language used can convey a particular impression, and make people see that you are keen, and that you are someone they would like to work with. Not sure whether that is NLP, but I am prepared to give it a go as well!

Yes, that is NLP explained, just using the right language, and matching/pacing raport.

I'm learning from this book, whuch is free if anyone else wants to have a crack at it. It's got lots of exersizes for you to do, although I'm sort of bypassing anything where you need more than 1 person, and turning to the radio/TV to try and see which rep system does with which newsreader/pannalist ect.

http://issuu.com/scottjenson/docs/bob_g._bodenhamer_-_user_s_manual_f

 

[chilango]

I decided not to apply to that job.
Didn't really fancy working in a grammar school for all the obvious reasons. Also, don't want to do another maternity cover cos I wouldn't be able to do much in the job.
I shall take my chances, for the time being, in non-selective schools.

Is it like teaching jobs where the vacancies for Sept 2014 start coming out between New Year and Easter?

 

[Guineveretoo]

it's a big long question, with amny different answers (and as you say, you need to know more about you to answer it.) I'm sure you have examples of when you've presented date which was hard for a newb to understand. And you used your excelent conversation skills to get the message through, with your fantastic ability to break down complicated information, into something with any layman can understand. This could be something as easy as teaching an elderly relative to use a computer, or something more work related, training new staff to understand a computing issue. Which could encompass many different levels of understanding. But you with your skillz, made them all understand. present it as their problem, and your solution.

Aw thanks. That actually helps me quite a lot, and I will be incorporating it....

 

[Guineveretoo]

I decided not to apply to that job.
Didn't really fancy working in a grammar school for all the obvious reasons. Also, don't want to do another maternity cover cos I wouldn't be able to do much in the job.
I shall take my chances, for the time being, in non-selective schools.

Fair enough. Which grammar school was it, though (just in case it was the one I went to...)

 

[Orang Utan]

It's not ridiculous but...

As I'm sure I've said to you before, you're "just a worker". Taking a job at private or grammar school doesn't imply any support for those systems.

Jobs are too scarce at the moment to realistically pick and choose on "ethical" grounds.

Your priority has to be getting yourself into a secure position where you can build the skills and experience to be competitive in your field so that you have the best chance possible when the "dream" job does come up.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think taking a job in a selective or fee-paying school does imply support for these systems. How else are you going to be able to work there without exploding in rage?

 

[Orang Utan]

Fair enough. Which grammar school was it, though (just in case it was the one I went to...)

Not saying here!

 

[Orang Utan]

Is it like teaching jobs where the vacancies for Sept 2014 start coming out between New Year and Easter?

Nope, I see them advertised all year, some for immediate start

 

[Guineveretoo]

Not saying here!

Fair enough

 

[chilango]

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think taking a job in a selective or fee-paying does imply support for these systems. How else are you going to be able to work there without exploding in rage?

Have you tried?

Kids are just kids.

I've taught kids of some the richest people in the world and I've taught destitute refugees in the middle of a famine ridden civil war.

Oh it's made me fucking angry alright.

But not with the kids, never with the kids.

It has however honed and sharpened my anger. I now know a lot more about exactly how these systems perpetuate inequality etc.

If you don't think you can work in a selective school, fair enough, that's your call.

Sadly most of us don't get that amount of choice as to what jobs we take. If you do, then great.

 

[chilango]

Nope, I see them advertised all year, some for immediate start

Cool. Cos as far as teaching goes the indies advertise earlier than the state so if it was the case you'd want to hold fire a little I expect.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I just got the phone call giving me the feedback from last week's interview. It wasn't terribly helpful, as ever.

She said that it was a very strong field (they always say that), and that I am clearly very experienced, and would be able to do the job. However, I need to be more concise and focussed, and clearer as to why I want to work for them particularly.

The concise and focussed bit was simply nerves, so I don't know what I can do about that, but the specific about why them in particular is lack of homework. I did say that I hadn't done enough homework!

 

[xes]

I('m) try(ing) to over come the nerves thing by repeating over and over again out loud, the answers that I've written out. That way when you state things, you can state them more confidentally, because you know what you're saying. Plan is that it will give me more control, and make me seem like a strong candidate. Not overbearingly so, but, sure about my statements. Also, lots of the questions asked, will have simular answers, so you can borrow from already practiced answers. (again, this is my plan, by this time next week, I'll have an inkling of how good a plan it was )

 

[Looby]

I've been rushing to complete an application that has to be in tomorrow.

I've had the advert for nearly 4 weeks and have known it was coming since July.

I really, really want the job so why am I such a dick? I think I've done a good application but it could probably be better if I'd done a bit each night as planned.

I don't deserve the fucking job!

 

[xes]

Yes you do!

 

[Mapped]

I've been rushing to complete an application that has to be in tomorrow.

I've had the advert for nearly 4 weeks and have known it was coming since July.

I really, really want the job so why am I such a dick? I think I've done a good application but it could probably be better if I'd done a bit each night as planned.

I don't deserve the fucking job!

Yes you do. Everyone does this!

A deadline is a only a deadline for me when its smacking me in the face. I find that pressure concentrates the mind.

 

[Looby]

Yes you do. Everyone does this!

A deadline is a only a deadline for me when its smacking me in the face. I find that pressure concentrates the mind.

Yeah, I'm the same. I once took a week off work to revise and write an OU essay. I played freecell for 4 1/2 days then did the essay at the very last minute.

Thanks both, I really want this job.

More money, a job I actually want to do and a company car. Eeek!

 

[Mapped]

Yeah, I'm the same. I once took a week off work to revise and write an OU essay. I played freecell for 4 1/2 days then did the essay at the very last minute.

Thanks both, I really want this job.

More money, a job I actually want to do and a company car. Eeek!

I did exactly the same with my MSc dissertation this year. Fucked around procrastinating for weeks until the mental shit hit the fan. I got it in on time (just) and I found out I passed today

Good luck with the job, it sounds worth the last minute effort!

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[Mapped]

I've found that procrastination is actually quite useful if you have a few things on the go. Whilst I wasn't writing my dissertation I did loads of renovations on my house and loads of good work in my day job. When those priorities have been switched I've inadvertently put plenty of effort into the non-urgent one.

This must be a sign of craziness, but this year it got to the point where I was trying to trick myself about what needed to be done when to try and avoid the inevitable stress. Unfortunately I didn't fall for my own ruse

 

[xes]

just had a call from one of the agencies, a shift manager job for Gist, looking after the starbucks contract. Money's not that great, and it's working for the devil!! Might string them along for a bit though.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I have just submitted another application for a different job at the same place as the one which turned me down last week, and who are interviewing me for another job next week!

I suppose it might be third time lucky or something...

 

[chilango]

In the meantime I've had a very positive meeting about a possible role. Looks very exciting. But nothing more will happen till the New Year.

Still a couple of bits of positivity to get thru Christmas.

Feeling, dare I say it, a little more optimistic than I have for quite some time. Nothing concrete, but good for the self-esteem at least.

 

[strung out]

Got an interview for my first professional post next week. Suddenly I'm starting to panic about how little I know and how much I blagged on the application.

 

[xes]

Just had a call back from the people who said I had an interview on monday. Well apparently they screwed up and i don't. But that's ok, they've only been stringing me along with it for 6 fucking weeks

 

[Orang Utan]

Got an interview for my first professional post next week. Suddenly I'm starting to panic about how little I know and how much I blagged on the application.

I may have put two and two together to make five, but are you now a proper librarian?

 

[Guineveretoo]

Got an interview for my first professional post next week. Suddenly I'm starting to panic about how little I know and how much I blagged on the application.

Congrats.

Homework! Revision!

Get on with it

I also like that tip above about memorising answers to questions which may come up.

I am going to do that for my interview next week.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Just had a call back from the people who said I had an interview on monday. Well apparently they screwed up and i don't. But that's ok, they've only been stringing me along with it for 6 fucking weeks

That's bad!

 

[xes]

It is, isn't it. But after reading the reviews online for other people who have dealt with Hays, yes, that's HAYS. I shouldn't be supprised. They are a total fucking shower of cunts.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Ah, you didn't say it was through Hays. They really hacked me off, too, in similar ways. I no longer use them, if I can avoid it.