The Islamic state

[J Ed]

i can recall 11/9/2001. and that's the way capitalism works, through little eichmanns in pristine offices dealing in misery at a distance. maybe they didn't deserve a choice between immolation or plunging to their deaths.

I don't think that's fair at all.

 

[phildwyer]

It's all you deserve you pathetic runt.

Again with the insults.

It's amazing how twerps like Jeff Robinson consider themselves politically aware, yet when they're challenged to defend their beliefs, all they can come up with is variations on: "I hate you."

I'll ask him once again, more to illustrate this point than in hope of a coherent response. Jeff darling: do you really know very much about the PKK?

 

[phildwyer]

And where exactly have I said I don't? Ignoring the comment I just made, which you won't have had time to read when you wrote that, I don't just hate soldiers who deliberately target civilians, I also hate non-state terrorists (for want of a better term) who kill or target civilians.

If you look back through the thread you'll find a comment which rubbishes the idea that there is anything coherent about the idea of "justifiable terrorism", and I'd extend that to condemning all actions of violence against civilians or non-combatants, no matter who's carrying it out. Would you like to say the same for yourself?

Yes I most certainly would.

And I'm glad to hear you feel the same way. I was probably confusing you with Jeff Robinson. Don't worry, coffee shop's open in 8 minutes.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Again with the insults.

It's amazing how twerps like Jeff Robinson consider themselves politically aware, yet when they're challenged to defend their beliefs, all they can come up with is variations on: "I hate you."

I'll ask him once again, more to illustrate this point than in hope of a coherent response. Jeff darling: do you really know very much about the PKK?

I'm more than happy to defend my beliefs to people that I respect and who debate in good faith. You on the other hand are a sad, trolling bastard who's not worth the energy. I've wasted enough energy on you typing this, so go on then, off you fuck.

 

[andysays]

Yes I most certainly would.

And I'm glad to hear you feel the same way. I was probably confusing you with Jeff Robinson. Don't worry, coffee shop's open in 8 minutes.

Glad to hear it, and if I think you're getting wobbly on that, I'll be sure to point it out to you.

Also, I'll thank you to be more careful about confusing me with anyone else in future

 

[phildwyer]

I don't know prof, I've never actually had to take a test on the PKK, can you put together a quick quiz?

Hey man, no problem.

Question 1: Who said: "I love Turkey and the Turkish nation and I want to serve it."

Question 2: Why did he say it?

Question 3: What sort of a man is he?

Prize for first place, a date with Jeff Robinson, prize for second place etc.

 

[phildwyer]

I'm more than happy to defend my beliefs to people that I respect and who debate in good faith. You on the other hand are a sad, trolling bastard who's not worth the energy. I've wasted enough energy on you typing this, so go on then, off you fuck.

Again with the obscenities. You've shown your true colors here today, and I will make sure that no-one here ever forgets them.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Again with the obscenities. You've shown your true colors here today, and I will make sure that no-one here ever forgets them.

At least you've got a sense of humour I suppose.

 

[phildwyer]

At least you've got a sense of humour I suppose.

Which is more than I can say for you.

You stupid, smug, sanctimonious, self-righteous, ignorant, stupid, violence-supporting, terrorist-boosting, stirring and above all FUCKING STUPID man.

I now discard you.

 

[DrRingDing]

There's a demo called in Trafalgar Square today at 4pm for those in town.

 

[Pickman's model]

Alright, let's leave it at that. More important things to talk about here. And I haven't had my coffee yet. And I'm off to Mexico in a minute. Hang on.

hope you're not driving. the state you're in, you'd cause an accident.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which is more than I can say for you.

You stupid, smug, sanctimonious, self-righteous, ignorant, stupid, violence-supporting, terrorist-boosting, stirring and above all FUCKING STUPID man.

I now discard you.

lucky Jeff Robinson

 

[Pickman's model]

And where exactly have I said I don't? Ignoring the comment I just made, which you won't have had time to read when you wrote that, I don't just hate soldiers who deliberately target civilians, I also hate non-state terrorists (for want of a better term) who kill or target civilians.

If you look back through the thread you'll find a comment which rubbishes the idea that there is anything coherent about the idea of "justifiable terrorism", and I'd extend that to condemning all actions of violence against civilians or non-combatants, no matter who's carrying it out. Would you like to say the same for yourself?

oh dear oh dear. so you'd condemn legitimate self-defence against eg police or fascists

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hey man, no problem.

Question 1: Who said: "I love Turkey and the Turkish nation and I want to serve it."

Question 2: Why did he say it?

Question 3: What sort of a man is he?

Prize for first place, a date with Jeff Robinson, prize for second place etc.

Alright, I'm guessing it was Ocalan. So what's the answer to Q2, iyo?

 

[butchersapron]

Odd with dywer on ignore. I see pickman's model quoting the contra supporting ward churchill and fear what is being discussed.

 

[phildwyer]

Incidentally, or perhaps not, the CHP has now changed its position and supports limited intervention to relieve Kobane.

Then again, the CHP isn't particularly influential these days.

Probably too little, too late in any case: Turkish press reports IS in control of one third of the town this morning.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...obane.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72742&NewsCatID=510

 

[Mr Moose]

oh dear oh dear. so you'd condemn legitimate self-defence against eg police or fascists

Got to hand it to you. Very good at this game.

 

[phildwyer]

Alright, I'm guessing it was Ocalan. So what's the answer to Q2, iyo?

You guess right. Answer to number two is: because he was in prison and his captors told him to say it.

So what does that make the answer to number three?

 

[Pickman's model]

Odd with dywer on ignore. I see pickman's model quoting the contra supporting ward churchill and fear what is being discussed.

i just used a term from churchill which the hawkish dwyer used to try to make out i supported the bombing of the wtc

 

[IC3D]

Report from Turkish Anarchist actions near Kobane in support of YPG:

Anarchists in the Turkish state have travelled to Kobanê it aid in its defence against ISIS. Meanwhile in Istanbul university they have been attacked by ISIS and by police with one serious injury and 7 arrests. Both reports are below

Report on Istanbul attack
We will make everywhere Kobanê!

This morning, comrades in Istanbul University faced with another ISIS attack with the help of police. One student got seriously injured. Comrades from DAF and other revolutionary organisations fighted back this ISIS attack.

Police took our 3 comrades and 4 more revolutionary student into custody.

We won't let Kobanê fall!
We won't let ISIS gangs!
Supression won't discourage us!
Bijî berxwedana Kobanê

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In this report from the border DAF describe attacked on the village from the Turkish state and what the atmosphere of resistance is like. The photo shows a night patrol (top) and below people taking shelter when the village came under fire.

Report from Boyde

Revolution will win in Kobanê!
Our Comrades in Boydê Village Reports:

It’s the 24th day of ISIS attacks on Kobanê. While people’s defending forces in all border villages are on human shield sentry for Kobanê against attacks, everyone, everywhere in the region we live, rised up not to let Kobanê fall.

We have been on human shield sentry for around three weeks in Boydê village west of Kobanê. In the last two days, explosions and sounds of clashes got intense in Kobanê’s outer districts and town center. During this period of intense clashes, military forces increased their attacks on human shield sentries at border villages. Soldiers of Turkish State has been attacking with gas bombs to those who approach the border from both sides, including the village that we are in, which was attacked on Tuesday. Soldiers also used live ammunition from time to time in their attacks and wounded people.

These attacks on border villages especially mean that ISIS forces are allowed passage through the border. Republic of Turkey’s support to ISIS is clearly visible here as it is there. Of course that’s not the only thing that is clear. We have learned that one of the ISIS leaders commanding the attack on Kobanê got killed by YPJ/YPG forces. Meanwhile clashes today are as intense as before and continued all day long. Sounds of clashes almost never stopped today. However now we know that explosions are made by YPJ/YPG forces. It’s reported that YPJ/YPG forces tactically emptied the streets of Kobanê at town center and ambushed ISIS, neutralizing them with successful tactics.

Everyone’s excited by what’s told at village meetings; one of them is ISIS’ fear of women guerillas. ISIS represents the state, the terror, the massacre and also the patriarchy of course. Because of their belief that they cannot be so-called “martyrs” when they get killed by a women guerilla, a YPJ fighter, they are scared of encountering YPJ forces. Because when they encounter them, the women who “fight” against them show no mercy to the ISIS lot. This is the freedom against patriarchy created by YPJ fighting.

The rebellion that rises in all of Kurdistan and all cities of Anatolia in the last two days, makes us feel the invincibility of organized people. These rebellions increase the confidence in revolution for everyone in Kobanê, in villages at Kobanê border, and in all of Rojava. Whenever a sister or brother falls, although we feel the sorrow, it intensifies everyone’s anger and power here. Requiems that start with hitting on knees turn into halay dance with feet kicking fast and strong enough to crack the earth. Thus our sorrow bursts into anger, fast and strong.

This is just what everyone needs here. For the freedom and revolution that’s craved, despite everything.

Long live the People’s Kobanê Resistance!
Long live the People’s Rojava Revolution!
Long live our Revolutionary Anarchist Action!

LINK

Also Istanbul University students are being attacked with increasing frequency by IS groups.
Video: http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/69567/0/istanbul-universitesi-nde-isid-kavgasi

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You guess right. Answer to number two is: because he was in prison and his captors told him to say it.

So what does that make the answer to number three?

A quick google finds this extract. So it comes from video of him taken after his capture. I'm not sure I really want to comment on Q3 given that all we have to go on is clearly propaganda telling what is at best a half-truth.

 

[phildwyer]

i just used a term from churchill which the hawkish dwyer used to try to make out i supported the bombing of the wtc

Which was entirely correct. The term in question was "little Eichmanns," and Pickman's and Churchill both find it appropriate as a description of the civilian victims of 9/11.

Fortunately, those two are alone in their sad opinion.

 

[phildwyer]

A quick google finds this extract. So it comes from video of him taken after his capture. I'm not sure I really want to comment on Q3 given that all we have to go on is clearly propaganda telling what is at best a half-truth.

I'll answer it then. He's a coward. He'll say anything to save his own skin.

 

[Pickman's model]

You guess right. Answer to number two is: because he was in prison and his captors told him to say it.

So what does that make the answer to number three?

at this point he was not in prison. you're full of fucking shit today.

Ocalan is shown being put aboard a private jet in Kenya blindfolded with tape and bound by handcuffs. He is then strapped into a seat, and the tape wrapped around his head is cut away. He winces. A close-up shows his face drenched in sweat.

"If the truth needs to be told, I love Turkey and the Turkish nation and I want to serve it," Ocalan says, grimacing. "If I have the chance, I would be pleased to serve. Let there be no torture or anything. I would be happy to serve."

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/feb/18/news/mn-9122

 

[butchersapron]

Report from Turkish Anarchist actions near Kobane in support of YPG:



Also Istanbul University students are being attacked with increasing frequency by IS groups.
Video: http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/69567/0/istanbul-universitesi-nde-isid-kavgasi

Ta for that. Boydê is where ISIS are supposed to be crossing back and forth.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which was entirely correct. The term in question was "little Eichmanns," and Pickman's and Churchill both find it appropriate as a description of the civilian victims of 9/11.

Fortunately, those two are alone in their sad opinion.

fuck me but you're on a lying spree. could you pls point me to where i said that the people in eg flight 93 were little eichmanns?

 

[phildwyer]

at this point he was not in prison.

Yes he was. He'd just been captured.

Surely not even you can be pathetic enough to quibble about the fact that he was physically being bundled into a helicopter. The point, obviously, is that he was under Turkish captivity.

Did he bravely defy his captors? Did he boldly disavow any concern with his own fate? Did he heroically urge his followers to continue the struggle, no matter what his personal doom might be?

Did he fuck. He's a coward.

 

[phildwyer]

fuck me but you're on a lying spree. could you pls point me to where i said that the people in eg flight 93 were little eichmanns?

I'm not going to quibble with you about this, twat.

You said the civilian victims of 9/11 were "little Eichmanns."

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes he was. He'd just been captured.

Surely not even you can be pathetic enough to quibble about the fact that he was physically being bundled into a helicopter. The point, obviously, is that he was under Turkish captivity.

Did he bravely defy his captors? Did he boldly disavow any concern with his own fate? Did he heroically urge his followers to continue the struggle, no matter what his personal doom might be?

Did he fuck. He's a coward.

"he was being physically bundled into a helicopter" is not the same as "he was in prison".

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not going to quibble with you about this, twat.

You said the civilian victims of 9/11 were "little Eichmanns."

i was, as well you know, referring to the people in the wtc: as is clear from my post. so at worst i said some of the civilian victims were little eichmanns. how the fuck you got to be a tenured academic at a prestigious university when you have such pitiful comprehension skills is beyond me.