The Islamic state

[miss direct]

It's rather depressing how this thread has descended into name calling and insults. I was finding it rather interesting, especially as there are few people here in Istanbul that are capable of discussing this objectively.

 

[butchersapron]

Not a single shell fired from ISIS towards kobane today. What's happened to their artillery?

 

[agricola]

fuck me but you're on a lying spree. could you pls point me to where i said that the people in eg flight 93 were little eichmanns?

with a little editing you could have made this rhyme - eg:

fuck me
youre on a lying spree
please point me
to the bit about 93
being eichmann-y

*gets coat*

 

[phildwyer]

It's rather depressing how this thread has descended into name calling and insults. I was finding it rather interesting, especially as there are few people here in Istanbul that are capable of discussing this objectively.

Fair enough. But when I see people planning to send money to the PKK, I reserve the right to tell them what a bunch of murderous loons they support. Every single Turk I know would do the same.

Now I really am off to Mexico. Hasta la vista companeros...

 

[Pickman's model]

Fair enough. But when I see people planning to send money to the PKK, I reserve the right to tell them what a bunch of murderous loons they support. Every single Turk I know would do the same.

Now I really am off to Mexico. Hasta la vista companeros...

hopefully not for the drugs because i hope you don't need me to tell you about the cartels...

 

[where to]

I'll answer it then. He's a coward. He'll say anything to save his own skin.

Fucking hell.

 

[butchersapron]

Why are the peshmerga not continuing/pushing the last weeks attacks?

 

[DotCommunist]

Not a single shell fired from ISIS towards kobane today. What's happened to their artillery?

my first thought was covert/SF stuff taking out the big guns but I've nothing to base that on other thn suspicion

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Fucking hell.

I'm afraid dwyer's academic skill in weighing up the credibility of evidence is lacking here. He has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the Turkish state.

 

[butchersapron]

my first thought was covert/SF stuff taking out the big guns but I've nothing to base that on other thn suspicion

It's been destroyed and awaiting re-reinforcement/ran out of ammo/ there are people fighting to capture them.

If the first then they know they will get destroyed again - it depends how much artillery they are prepared to have destroyed and now many beardies. The latter, then, diff game.

 

[butchersapron]

my first thought was covert/SF stuff taking out the big guns but I've nothing to base that on other thn suspicion

Mad suspicion mind. How on earth could the most defended weapons they have get offed in the night and then not replenished?

 

[butchersapron]

Really interesting short piece on FSA in kobane and alliances.

I thinik the thing in the video is those things they call sweeties - old WW2 anti-aircraft things removed and mounted on mobile stuff.

 

[butchersapron]

Summary of yesterday from YPG.

Backed up that the big explosion yesterday was an ISIS vehicle borne bomb that YPG/YPJ spotted and fucked. Suggests the mount once under ISIS control is now challenged.

 

[Pickman's model]

Really interesting short piece on FSA in kobane and alliances.

I thinik the thing in the video is those things they call sweeties - old WW2 anti-aircraft things removed and mounted on mobile stuff.

by things do you mean guns?

e2a: from looking at the link it appears to be aa guns mounted for use against ground targets

 

[coley]

Incidentally, or perhaps not, the CHP has now changed its position and supports limited intervention to relieve Kobane.

Then again, the CHP isn't particularly influential these days.

Probably too little, too late in any case: Turkish press reports IS in control of one third of the town this morning.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...obane.aspx?pageID=238&nID=72742&NewsCatID=510

“As for rebuilding of our internal peace; the AKP’s [the ruling Justice and Development’ Party] exercise of detaining our Kurdish citizens and deceiving all of us until it realizes its expansionist delusions – which is called ‘resolution process’ – turned out to be hot air,” he added, referring to the government-led Kurdish resolution process, which has become endangered upon pro-Kobane street protests across Turkey.

Another bit of backstabbing by the Turkish govt, like I said earlier,why negotiate when ISIL can provide a more permanent solution.
The Turkish States behaviour towards the Kurds is very similar to the US govts behaviour towards the native Americans.

 

[andysays]

oh dear oh dear. so you'd condemn legitimate self-defence against eg police or fascists

No, I said I'd condemn all actions of violence against civilians or non-combatants, no matter who's carrying it out.

I don't class police or fascists as civilians or non-combatants, at least when they are acting in their capacity as police or fascists, so I can happily condone legitimate self-defence against eg police or fascists without any problem or contradiction.

Happy?

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I said I'd condemn all actions of violence against civilians or non-combatants, no matter who's carrying it out.

I don't class police or fascists as civilians or non-combatants, at least when they are acting in their capacity as police or fascists, so I can happily condone legitimate self-defence against eg police or fascists without any problem or contradiction.

Happy?

not really as your definitions seem wholly idiosyncratic and without any real meaning.

 

[andysays]

Odd with dywer on ignore. I see pickman's model quoting the contra supporting ward churchill and fear what is being discussed.

TBH, it can get pretty odd when you don't have dwyer on ignore

 

[coley]

Not a single shell fired from ISIS towards kobane today. What's happened to their artillery?

Piles of bloody scrap, I hope.

 

[butchersapron]

TBH, it can get pretty odd when you don't have dwyer on ignore

I don't want to hear about him/you talking to him. I want to hear/talk about what's happening. So have your ongoing internet fight with him, do all the things that an oxbrrdge prof bored with life nihilist needs - just leave me the fuck out of it.

 

[coley]

I'm afraid dwyer's academic skill in weighing up the credibility of evidence is lacking here. He has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the Turkish state.

Blind spot? Mair like his eyes have been gouged out!

 

[butchersapron]

Piles of bloody scrap, I hope.

More where they came from though - and if they are scrap, then the new gear needs to get there. And to get there they come from raqqa. And if they come from raqqa...an open road...

 

[andysays]

not really as your definitions seem wholly idiosyncratic and without any real meaning.

You just don't like my music because you don't understand it.

Or is it you don't understand my music because you don't like it?

I'm pretty sure it's one of them, anyway...

 

[kebabking]

for anyone interested in the nerditastic game of top trumps, the truck mounted guns in the video are ZU-23-2 23mm anti-aircraft guns. in service from the 60's onwards, simple design, effective/accurate(ish) range of around 2km/2.5km, explosive ammunition - they make a mess of anything that isn't well armoured,

 

[Pickman's model]

You just don't like my music because you don't understand it.

Or is it you don't understand my music because you don't like it?

I'm pretty sure it's one of them, anyway...

if your definitions don't stand up to examination and have to be changed to prevent you looking like a twat then they're not much use.

 

[Pickman's model]

for anyone interested in the nerditastic game of top trumps, the truck mounted guns in the video are ZU-23-2 23mm anti-aircraft guns. in service from the 60's onwards, simple design, effective/accurate(ish) range of around 2km/2.5km, explosive ammunition - they make a mess of anything that isn't well armoured,

how much and where to get?

 

[butchersapron]

for anyone interested in the nerditastic game of top trumps, the truck mounted guns in the video are ZU-23-2 23mm anti-aircraft guns. in service from the 60's onwards, simple design, effective/accurate(ish) range of around 2km/2.5km, explosive ammunition - they make a mess of anything that isn't well armoured,

What happens when they run out of ammo? Can/are they be hacked to do/use other stuff? Are/were there huge stores of original ammo?

 

[krink]

just been sent this. all i know is might be manchester so urbs in that area might have a way to express support

 

[kebabking]

More where they came from though - and if they are scrap, then the new gear needs to get there. And to get there they come from raqqa. And if they come from raqqa...an open road...

perhaps the US's comments yesterday about 'being afraid that Kbane is about to fall' is a come-on to IS - turn Kobane into a talismanic battle for IS, and watch them fall into the trap of ploughing resources into winning it, and use airpower and the open road as a meatgrinder?

IS's lack of Artillery may have something to do with yesterdays air ops - the US had 3 B-1's over the town yesterday, just loitering away looking for targets and dropping on them... the fighters are much more limited by the 1000 mile distance between the UAE bases/carriers in the PG, they don't have the fuel to hang around, and they can only carry a much reduced warload in order to get there. if the could fly from Incurlik on the other hand...

 

[FNG]

What happens when they run out of ammo? Can/are they be hacked to do/use other stuff? Are/were there huge stores of original ammo?

unlikely to run out of ammo as they are the same calibur as the guns they mount on technicals, the originals in afganistan coming from stripped down aa guns and put to use as anti personal heavy MGs. Might as well ask what will happen when they run out of AK bullets mate.

e2a
More likely for there limited use is difficulty keeping pace with the technicals in their blitz manouevers and heavy fuel cost.