The Islamic state

[seventh bullet]

There's the same footage uploaded last year saying it's Assad's army hitting the Syrian rebel tank.

 

[seventh bullet]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Fuck Turkey - not only are they doing nothing to help Kobane, they are actively cutting them off from reinforcements and fresh supplies of weapons and ammunition. For that alone they are objectively pro-ISIS. Are there protests at the Turkish embassy in London? I hope so.

 

[butchersapron]

Ta. Just didn't fit that. There was similar stuff earlier this week that was supposed to be kobane but was allepo.

 

[Limerick Red]

Came across this on Ultras-Tifo, Tunisian Ultras with ISIS tifo! not hugely relevant but fuckin mad

 

[butchersapron]

In turkey, the far right anti-kurds are out tonight.

 

[kebabking]

Didn't the Turks agree the west could use the airfields? Seems they say one thing and then do the other, they are obviously trying to suck maximum advantage out of the situation with scant regard for suffering or alliance obligations.

i think they will eventually offer the use of airfeilds and do most of the other stuff people want them to do, however i think the objective here is to drag that process out as far as possible so that by the time IS start to get a really shoeing, the various Kurdish groups have taken the greatest possible beating from IS. Turkey then gets to play the good guy, having effectively ensured the decimation of Kurdish military capability.

whether the public declarations of Turkey being the good guy will translate into a private belief that Turkey is a good guy is perhaps another matter...

 

[where to]

In turkey, the far right anti-kurds are out tonight.

they look like ultra nationalists, no fans of ISIS i would have thought. 'vigilante'/ 'anti-rioting' motive perhaps.

 

[DrRingDing]

they look like ultra nationalists, no fans of ISIS i would have thought. 'vigilante'/ 'anti-rioting' motive perhaps.

Didn't you see the plod in there? Not in riot gear, partaking, seemingly, in the action.

 

[butchersapron]

they look like ultra nationalists, no fans of ISIS i would have thought. 'vigilante'/ 'anti-rioting' motive perhaps.

They are clearly not attacking them on a pro-isis basis but the usual far-right anti-kurd basis. The silly stuff where pro-ISIS attacks kurds can only happen in europe and in certain places with concentrations of chechen twats.

 

[where to]

Didn't you see the plod in there? Not in riot gear, partaking, seemingly, in the action.

yeah no doubt. i just mean that's what's got them out, a response to the Kurds being on the streets, flexing their muscles. how dare they etc.

 

[butchersapron]

yeah no doubt. i just mean that's what's got them out, a response to the Kurds being on the streets, flexing their muscles. how dare they etc.

There were pics of loads of them doing the ISIS finger last night. Riot cops = group mentality - in situation where anti-kurd racism is the norm = lots of dead kurds and far-right given green light to kill.

 

[butchersapron]

Stuff like this:

They killed 4 kurds tonight with their swords. In one city in Turkey.

 

[J Ed]

Graunid comes out in favour of murder, rape and enslavement of residents of Kobani

 

[butchersapron]

Graunid comes out in favour of murder, rape and enslavement of residents of Kobani

They always say Mr Erdoğan or Mr Blair as they endorse murder.

 

[Red Storm]

Stuff like this:

They killed 4 kurds tonight with their swords. In one city in Turkey.

Shit! Have the deaths of protesters been mostly by Turkish nationalists or police? The news I've seen just says they died during protests, I assumed the police had killed them.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Protesters being fired upon in Mardin (southeastern Turkey) apparently:

 

[butchersapron]

Shit! Have the deaths of protesters been mostly by Turkish nationalists or police? The news I've seen just says they died during protests, I assumed the police had killed them.

Hard to tell the difference right now. They've just shut twitter down in these areas for national security. In the above pic in Gaziantepi think it was literally those people doing the killing.

Turkey will be ablaze soon. So much for genius realpoitick.

 

[coley]

Turkey is a very divided. The current Government is not to be trusted and there are no doubt elements giving support and encouragement to IS.

They also have some real genuine dilemmas. That's not to feel any sympathy for the Govt, but they are sitting on a powder keg.

Aye, the hope of a solution to the kurdish problem is fast disappearing, shame, they could have earned themselves a lot of kudos all round if they had taken decisive action but they are going to get Shyte from many sides over the way they have behaved.

 

[Red Storm]

Hard to tell the difference right now. They've just shut twitter down in these areas for national security. In the above pic in Gaziantepi think it was literally those people doing the killing.

Turkey will be ablaze soon. So much for genius realpoitick.

Between Kurds and Nationalists or are the battle lines broader than that?

 

[butchersapron]

Aye, the hope of a solution to the kurdish problem is fast disappearing, shame, they could have earned themselves a lot of kudos all round if they had taken decisive action but they are going to get Shyte from many sides over the way they have behaved.

A whole 50 million people wide area of instability. Exactly what ISIS want. The oxbridge profs realpolitck right on his doorstep.

 

[coley]

i think they will eventually offer the use of airfeilds and do most of the other stuff people want them to do, however i think the objective here is to drag that process out as far as possible so that by the time IS start to get a really shoeing, the various Kurdish groups have taken the greatest possible beating from IS. Turkey then gets to play the good guy, having effectively ensured the decimation of Kurdish military capability.

whether the public declarations of Turkey being the good guy will translate into a private belief that Turkey is a good guy is perhaps another matter...

They have left it far to late and their behaviour/intransigence brings into question whether they can be trusted as a member of NATO, IMO anyway.

 

[butchersapron]

Between Kurds and Nationalists or are the battle lines broader than that?

The stuff that will happen right now or the longer stuff?

Right now the kurds are going to burn any symbol of turkish rule in the areas where they are dominant and cause so much trouble in the areas where they are a sizable minority and block all transport routes in areas where they have little muscle.

And the state is going to attack them and it's far -right proxies will attack them and they will mutually re-inforce what it means to be a turk. And it will be a pre-1914 idea. And the understanding of what turkey is and what kurds are will be frozen once again behind nationalist lines.

 

[butchersapron]

Turkish state shooting kurdish funeral. (sfw)

The turkish state is going to use this right now, as we speak to crack heads and politics. Bow your heads. Shut up. And the kurds will not.

 

[kebabking]

They have left it far to late and their behaviour/intransigence brings into question whether they can be trusted as a member of NATO, IMO anyway.

from what i hear from friends in Brussels, that is already happening - nothing official, just stuff no longer going through the standard NATO channels that would normally go to all members, but instead its being done bilaterally on a 'people we trust' basis.

the ATO for example - being done by US Cent Com instead of NATO - theres a palpable sense that nothing sensitive, or time sensitive targetting, is going near NATO or Turkey because of the concern that such intelligence would find itself in IS's hands. Turkey decided some time ago that it was no longer interested in joining the EU, perhaps this takes its - already established - drift out of NATO another couple of steps further...

 

[where to]

what are Turkey's relations with Russia and/or China like?

 

[coley]

A whole 50 million people wide area of instability. Exactly what ISIS want. The oxbridge profs realpolitck right on his doorstep.

No,you are totally misreading the situation, once the Kurdish problem has been resolved ISIS will make perfectly good and peaceable neighbours for Turkey.
I mean it obviously makes sense to replace an organisation that has made repeated attempts to reach a conciliated agreement, who has initiated ceasefire after ceasefire, who announced and end to the force of arms in favour of a diplomatic solution with a bunch of bloodthirsty fanatics who intend to establish a new Caliphate using terror and ethnic cleansing as the tools for the job.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Yasin Aktay, vice-chairman of the governing AKP party, addressed the issue outright in an interview with me in Ankara.

"There is no tragedy in Kobane as cried out by the terrorist PKK [Kurdistan Workers' Party]", he said. "There is a war between two terrorist groups."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29555999

 

[coley]

The stuff that will happen right now or the longer stuff?

Right now the kurds are going to burn any symbol of turkish rule in the areas where they are dominant and cause so much trouble in the areas where they are a sizable minority and block all transport routes in areas where they have little muscle.

And the state is going to attack them and it's far -right proxies will attack them and they will mutually re-inforce what it means to be a turk. And it will be a pre-1914 idea. And the understanding of what turkey is and what kurds are will be frozen once again behind nationalist lines.

Ain't going to be a good place, Thomas Cook, take notice.

 

[Mr Moose]

A win for IS of any reasonable duration must surely destabilise Turkey though? The Islamic State will/would be in a state of continual war and would seek to export it's revolution next door.