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FNG said:
unlikely to run out of ammo as they are the same calibur as the guns they mount on technicals, the originals in afganistan coming from stripped down aa guns and put to use as anti personal heavy MGs. Might as well ask what will happen when they run out of AK bullets mate.

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More likely for there limited use is difficulty keeping pace with the technicals in their blitz manouevers and heavy fuel cost.
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That answers that. Ta.
 
butchersapron said:
What happens when they run out of ammo? Can/are they be hacked to do/use other stuff? Are/were there huge stores of original ammo?
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there'll be vast quantities of the stuff lying around - it was the main soviet/warpac/export AA gun for 30+ years, umpteen thousands (150,000+) of them were produced and all the Arab/Asian states that imported Soviet kit bought them. impossible to imagine how much ammunition was/is produced, but if you start with 'a lot', and times it by a million, you're probably still going to fall short.

theres a more complex replacement weapon - the ZSU-23-4, a four barrelled, radar guided AA Gun from the 70/80/90's - most Arab states bought that as well, and i think that uses the same ammunition/casing.
 
kebabking said:
IS's lack of Artillery may have something to do with yesterdays air ops - the US had 3 B-1's over the town yesterday, just loitering away looking for targets and dropping on them... the fighters are much more limited by the 1000 mile distance between the UAE bases/carriers in the PG, they don't have the fuel to hang around, and they can only carry a much reduced warload in order to get there. if the could fly from Incurlik on the other hand...
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Given that each B1 can carry nearly 50 precision guided 500lb bombs, that would explain why things have suddenly ceased to do things they were doing.
 
IC3D said:
I know nothing about military equipment but they look very new and similar to the Turkish kit seen in the media lately.

Hemn Merany ‏@HemnMerany 26m26 minutes ago
It is reported that these #tanks & #weapons are delivered to #ISIL by #Turkey #Kurdistan #Rojava #Kobane #YPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IxnHHHekl0#t=45…

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There are Turkish troops already in Syria, presumably they have to be resupplied and that resupply probably requires a fair bit of protection to ensure it gets there. One would suppose such a convoy would look exactly like that one shown in the video.
 
agricola said:
There are Turkish troops already in Syria, presumably they have to be resupplied and that resupply probably requires a fair bit of protection to ensure it gets there. One would suppose such a convoy would look exactly like that one shown in the video.
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That one is going to ISIS camp - look at the flags.
 
agricola said:
Unless I have missed something, they are just driving past an ISIS flag - something they would have to do to get to that tomb they guard.
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That tomb they guard has 50 people there that is accessed by air i think - they don't need all that stuff. It might just be ISIS waving to ISIS? Where is the evidence of any turkish involvement at all? ISIS have all this same gear from mosul don't they?
 
butchersapron said:
That tomb they guard has 50 people there that is accessed by air i think - they don't need all that stuff. It might just be ISIS waving to ISIS? Where is the evidence of any turkish involvement at all? ISIS have all this same gear from mosul don't they?
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Don't you believe Turkey is supporting ISIS ?
 
i'd think the americans and europeans would take a very dim view of turkey directly supporting ISIS with military kit, and with the eyes of the world + every conflict journo and bod with a phone camera on the region- theres not much chance they'd get away with i, i'd have thought.
 
Not now, no. But that's not to say that they might've done in the past or, waved stuff through on the nod.

E2a it also may go some way to explaining why they shot at that BBC crew.
 
coley said:
Don't you believe Turkey is supporting ISIS ?
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the camouflage scheme/colours on the trucks looks like one of two schemes/colours the Turkish army uses, and the personnel carriers, though i can't identify them, look the same as feature in any number of googled 'Turkish Army' images.. however, just because the video has IS captions on it, that doesn't prove the video was taken recently, or in Syria.

i believe Turkey is kind of supporting ISIS - i'm not sure however that that support goes as far as shipping identifiably Turkish stuff out of their own armouries, giving it to ISIS and having it posted on youtube. i believe Turkey to be following a self-defeating strategy - i don't however think they are that stupid.
 
kebabking said:
the camouflage scheme/colours on the trucks looks like one of two schemes/colours the Turkish army uses, and the personnel carriers, though i can't identify them, look the same as feature in any number of googled 'Turkish Army' images.. however, just because the video has IS captions on it, that doesn't prove the video was taken recently, or in Syria.

i believe Turkey is kind of supporting ISIS - i'm not sure however that that support goes as far as shipping identifiably Turkish stuff out of their own armouries, giving it to ISIS and having it posted on youtube. i believe Turkey to be following a self-defeating strategy - i don't however think they are that stupid.
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The ISIS flag in background means something.
 
butchersapron said:
The ISIS flag in background means something.
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it does, but what?

i'm fully seized of the understanding that Turkey is supporting ISIS against the Kurds, thats obvious, but i would be surprised if they would be that brazen about it. we've seen IS gimps at demo's in Ankara - perhaps what the film shows is a Turkish convoy in Turkey driving past a flag waving, and filming, IS supporter, and that IS has taken that random image and attempted to make it look like something else?

much puzzlement...
 
kebabking said:
it does, but what?

i'm fully seized of the understanding that Turkey is supporting ISIS against the Kurds, thats obvious, but i would be surprised if they would be that brazen about it. we've seen IS gimps at demo's in Ankara - perhaps what the film shows is a Turkish convoy in Turkey driving past a flag waving, and filming, IS supporter, and that IS has taken that random image and attempted to make it look like something else?

much puzzlement...
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I've been saying the same since it was posted. By ISIS. It means nothing at all beyond the image that ISIS and others want to put about. The doubts and proofs they offer.
 
Lemon Eddy said:
Considering the amount of air surveillance going on there just now, do you really think Turkey is going to send highly visible assets such as tanks in to support ISIS?
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Nobody seems to know when this vid was made, but I would agree they wouldn't be doing anything this stupid over the last few weeks.
But ongoing covert support?
 
coley said:
...But ongoing covert support?
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the most obvious evidence for that is the distance US/other aircraft are having to fly to get to the area - most of the US and European stuff is flying from the UAE and US carriers in the Persian Gulf, the best part of 1000 miles each way, yet there are NATO paid for airfeilds in Turkey perhaps 100 miles from Kobane sat empty..

you can imagine the effect a 2000 mile round trip for a tactical fighter has on warload, loiter time and sortie rates - if they were flying from Turkey you might easily see the same number of aircraft flying with three times as much ordinance, and flying three times as many sories.
 
Didn't the Turks agree the west could use the airfields? Seems they say one thing and then do the other, they are obviously trying to suck maximum advantage out of the situation with scant regard for suffering or alliance obligations.
 
coley said:
Didn't the Turks agree the west could use the airfields? Seems they say one thing and then do the other, they are obviously trying to suck maximum advantage out of the situation with scant regard for suffering or alliance obligations.
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Turkey is a very divided. The current Government is not to be trusted and there are no doubt elements giving support and encouragement to IS.

They also have some real genuine dilemmas. That's not to feel any sympathy for the Govt, but they are sitting on a powder keg.
 
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