The Islamic state

[Pickman's model]

Right. The last reference indicates that you applaud the bombing of the Twin Towers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I think you can go now.

sorry, how's that? what have i said to show support for the bombing of the twin towers?

 

[phildwyer]

ward churchill's little eichmanns comment not associated with the bombing of the twin towers.

Yes it is. And now, so are you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes it is. And now, so are you.

let me put you right. the bombing of the twin towers was in 1993. the little eichmanns comment was made by ward churchill in 2001.

but if you believe the twin towers were bombed in 2001 then you're a conspiraloon and your further participation in this or any other thread undesirable.

 

[andysays]

You know, I've encountered some right twats on here.

But I don't think I've ever encountered a twat quite so complete in their smug, self-righteous stupidity as yourself...

...You are King Twat. Congratulations.

Just a few hours ago you were saying something similar about me.

I'm disappointed that you've dropped me and taken up with jeff so perfunctorily, phil, I really thought we had something

 

[Pickman's model]

Just a few hours ago you were saying something similar about me.

I'm disappointed that you've dropped me and taken up with jeff so perfunctorily, phil, I really thought we had something

he's so fickle

 

[phildwyer]

Just a few hours ago you were saying something similar about me.

No I didn't.

And I've no idea why you'd lie about this when it's so easily verifiable.

So now you stand exposed as the Twat of the Century. Nice one.

 

[andysays]

killing civilians on the streets of istanbul worse than killing them on the streets of peterborough, paris or phoenix?

It is when phil lives or has recently lived in Istanbul. Maybe if he ever moves to Peterborough he'll change his tune.

 

[J Ed]

No fool. When anyone with an army behind them deliberately attacks civilians: fucking bastards.

This isn't a difficult principle to grasp. I'd venture to guess that 99% of sane people agree with it. Why don't you?

So since both the AKP controlled Turkish state and the PKK have armies and have attacked civilians you'll condemn them equally, won't you? Except earlier you didn't. I don't know why I'm bothering with this, I doubt you mean what you're arguing anyway.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

let me put you right. the bombing of the twin towers was in 1993. the little eichmanns comment was made by ward churchill in 2001.

but if you believe the twin towers were bombed in 2001 then you're a conspiraloon and your further participation in this or any other thread undesirable.

Hmmm. the comment related to the planes crashing into the towers instead.

Not sure that improves things.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hmmm. the comment related to the planes crashing into the towers instead.

Not sure that improves things.

the only people who claim bombs at wtc 11/9/2001 are 'loons. and well known as such.

 

[phildwyer]

let me put you right. the bombing of the twin towers was in 1993. the little eichmanns comment was made by ward churchill in 2001.

No fool. The bombing of the twin towers was on September 11, 2001. It was with regard to that incident that Churchill's comment was made. A comment with which you apparently agree.

 

[andysays]

No I didn't.

And I've no idea why you'd lie about this when it's so easily verifiable.

So now you stand exposed as the Twat of the Century. Nice one.

I said something similar, not exactly the same thing. Obviously I was too upset to go back and check it word for word.

But I glad you've now realised your future is with me and thrown that jeff robinson over

 

[Pickman's model]

No fool. The bombing of the twin towers was on September 11, 2001. It was with regard to that incident that Churchill's comment was made. A comment with which you apparently agree.

let me put it simply: THERE WERE NO BOMBS USED BY AQ ON 11/9/2001. your claim to the contrary puts you in the ranks of the conspiraloons.

 

[phildwyer]

So since both the AKP controlled Turkish state and the PKK have armies and have attacked civilians you'll condemn them equally, won't you?

Yes I will.

Next question?

Actually wait. I have a question for you. Answer it truthfully please. How much do you really know about the PKK?

 

[phildwyer]

I said something similar, not exactly the same thing. Obviously I was too upset to go back and check it word for word.

Sorry, you can't wriggle out of it now.

You just told a lie. In public. You know what that makes you don't you?

 

[J Ed]

Actually wait. I have a question for you. Answer it truthfully please. How much do you really know about the PKK?

I don't know prof, I've never actually had to take a test on the PKK, can you put together a quick quiz?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

the only people who claim bombs at wtc 11/9/2001 are 'loons. and well known as such.

That's a pickman's quibble, though. Bombs or planes, the result was thousands dead. I like Churchill generally, but the last sentence in this extract is horribly misjudged, and I wouldn't want to be associated with it:

As for those in the World Trade Center... Well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire - the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved - and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" - a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" - counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in - and in many cases excelling at - it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I don't know prof, I've never actually had to take a test on the PKK, can you put together a quick quiz?

Or we could just all ignore the sad, trolling ISIS/AKP groupie.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's a pickman's quibble, though. Bombs or planes, the result was thousands dead. I like Churchill generally, but the last sentence in this extract is horribly misjudged, and I wouldn't want to be associated with it:

i can recall 11/9/2001. and that's the way capitalism works, through little eichmanns in pristine offices dealing in misery at a distance. maybe they didn't deserve a choice between immolation or plunging to their deaths.

 

[phildwyer]

It is when phil lives or has recently lived in Istanbul. Maybe if he ever moves to Peterborough he'll change his tune.

I suppose this is a fair enough comment actually.

I spend about 30% of my time in Istanbul, my family spends more. And you're right. I have conceived a particularly intense dislike for people who put bombs in places where they might be.

But I don't think that's a matter of bias or selfishness. I think it's a matter of having the reality of urban terrorism brought home to you in an especially vivid manner. So no, I won't "change my tune" if I move to Peterborough (God forbid). I'll always hate soldiers who deliberately target civilians.

And I think it's pretty despicable that you don't.

 

[andysays]

That's a pickman's quibble, though. Bombs or planes, the result was thousands dead...

Sometimes Pickman's model can quibble for quibblings sake, but in this case, I think the distinction is rather more than just a quibble.

 

[phildwyer]

Or we could just all ignore the sad, trolling ISIS/AKP groupie.

Now you're being even more stupid than I thought you were.

I loathe both ISIS and the AKP, as I've said many times.

You however appear to be a genuine and committed PKK groupie. Can you deny that sympathy, as I've denied the vile sympathies you attribute to me?

No you can't. Can you?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i can recall 11/9/2001. and that's the way capitalism works, through little eichmanns in pristine offices dealing in misery at a distance. maybe they didn't deserve a choice between immolation or plunging to their deaths.

And the people in the plane? The cleaners? The security guards? The PAs? The firefighters? What did they deserve?

 

[phildwyer]

i can recall 11/9/2001. and that's the way capitalism works, through little eichmanns in pristine offices dealing in misery at a distance. maybe they didn't deserve a choice between immolation or plunging to their deaths.

That's a despicable sentiment, and you are a despicable person.

I only hope you never have to deal with a loved one's death at the hands of terrorists.

 

[andysays]

I suppose this is a fair enough comment actually.

I spend about 30% of my time in Istanbul, my family spends more. And you're right. I have conceived a particularly intense dislike for people who put bombs in places where they might be.

But I don't think that's a matter of bias or selfishness. I think it's a matter of having the reality of urban terrorism brought home to you in an especially vivid manner.

I sympathise for your feelings about your family being in danger phil, I genuinely do, as I do for all who are in similar positions through no fault of their own, including the Kurds subjected to shit from the Turkish state..

But most of what you've come out with about the Turkish state and their actions, as opposed to the Turkish people, is utter shit for which you should be metaphorically flogged and humiliated.

In my opinion, of course.

So I'll leave you to it for now, but I'm sure we'll be at it again in no time

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Now you're being even more stupid than I thought you were.

I loathe both ISIS and the AKP, as I've said many times.

You however appear to be a genuine and committed PKK groupie. Can you deny that sympathy, as I've denied the vile sympathies you attribute to me?

No you can't. Can you?

Your basic error here is that you mistake not wishing to engage with a sad, trolling bastard with not being able to. That's probably because you're a sad trolling bastard.

 

[phildwyer]

I sympathise for your feelings about your family being in danger phil, I genuinely do

Alright, let's leave it at that. More important things to talk about here. And I haven't had my coffee yet. And I'm off to Mexico in a minute. Hang on.

 

[phildwyer]

Your basic error here is that you mistake not wishing to engage with a sad, trolling bastard with not being able to. That's probably because you're a sad trolling bastard.

It seems that insults (and repetitive insults at that) are all you can muster in your defence.

How utterly pathetic you truly are.

I won't address this to you, you're not intelligent enough to understand it. But to anyone thinking of giving money or support to the PKK, all I would say is: for Gawd's sake, familiarize yourself with their tactics and doctrines first. Learn about how they treat their own people. Find out what other Kurds think of them. If you still want to give them money after that, they deserve it.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It seems that insults (and repetitive insults at that) are all you can muster in your defence.

It's all you deserve you pathetic runt.

 

[andysays]

I suppose this is a fair enough comment actually.

I spend about 30% of my time in Istanbul, my family spends more. And you're right. I have conceived a particularly intense dislike for people who put bombs in places where they might be.

But I don't think that's a matter of bias or selfishness. I think it's a matter of having the reality of urban terrorism brought home to you in an especially vivid manner. So no, I won't "change my tune" if I move to Peterborough (God forbid). I'll always hate soldiers who deliberately target civilians.

And I think it's pretty despicable that you don't.

And where exactly have I said I don't? Ignoring the comment I just made, which you won't have had time to read when you wrote that, I don't just hate soldiers who deliberately target civilians, I also hate non-state terrorists (for want of a better term) who kill or target civilians.

If you look back through the thread you'll find a comment which rubbishes the idea that there is anything coherent about the idea of "justifiable terrorism", and I'd extend that to condemning all actions of violence against civilians or non-combatants, no matter who's carrying it out. Would you like to say the same for yourself?