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Good nation states, bad nation states. It's not exactly the most penetrating analysis, Donald.
The current situation in Venezuela
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
40 us led wars. not 40 us invasions. the moving of the goalposts has begun.
that'll rule out eg greece.
Don't sweat the details. I didn't find the exact link but I found a suitable substitute.
US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWII - PopularResistance.Org
By James A. Lucas for Counter Currents - After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the...
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Has Britain really been sucked into being a US apologist country now? This is the only forum I've spent any time on so I'm going to have to sniff it out for a while. Streath sounded encouragingly antiwar so far but I haven't heard enough from you yet to tell.
It's going to get better Jim. Or worse for you depending on how your head is screwed on.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
err, spring-peeper is a canadian.
A genuine one, this time.
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spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
If people listened to Canada, there would be a Canadian in the UN security council.
Not too sure of the qualifier, are you only willing to share your ideas with a Brit?
Yes, I'm from London, England - so please share.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Why have you made absolutely no effort to draw a distinction between tyhe American people ant the American State.
And who no class analysis, when ther situation is so obviously crying out for it?
e2a; edited to clean up typoes
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This is once again different from your 40 invasions. Do you think being anti-war means swallowing any auld anti-us bilge? Not sure you can say eg the us invaded Korea or the us invaded Vietnam. I'm not sure the Korean war was a us-led war. Can you make up your mind what your actual claim is and keep to it? I'm not sure you can.Don't sweat the details. I didn't find the exact link but I found a suitable substitute.
All that really matters is the facts.US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWII - PopularResistance.Org
By James A. Lucas for Counter Currents - After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the...
Has Britain really been sucked into being a US apologist country now? This is the only forum I've spent any time on so I'm going to have to sniff it out for a while. Streath sounded encouragingly antiwar so far but I haven't heard enough from you yet to tell.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's all over the shop, this one
Thanks for the info.
People listen to Canada and Canadians because of our reputation, even though it's been damaged somewhat because of our cooperation with the US. However, consider that we are somewhat forced to sell out our credibility to the US to control the damage they're inflicting on us economically.
I like to think that Britain is going down on the US because it still feels a debt for US participation in WW2.
They should be as generous to Russia!
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yep, no real consistency of argument beyond 'USA BAD!!!!'
The Ladybird guide to anti-imperialism, basically
The Korean war certainly was a US led war so now you can be sure. It was just their fear of the dominoes tumbling before the phrase was popular. And now fwiw, the Koreas would be united again by popular demand if it wasn't for US interference.
So do you think that the US could trade off S.K. in exchange for Venezuela? Spheres of influence you know.
I think I'm going to like you Pickman, you're a bright kid. And I think Streath will come back as soon as he stops pouting.
Yes, USA bad! IMHO there isn't any good left with which to redeem that country. But if you have a bit of praise then fill your boots.
FWIW to you, my position is that the US is an evil aggressor nation that is approaching the ilk of Nazi Germany, so let's hear your best defense of that fascist regime in the making.
Your correct argument is that I'm not all over the shop, I'm dead certain and not intimidated into keeping it to myself. So sure there are some good ones, but ask yourself if that was enough to save the German people in 1945.
Stop resisting the facts and get with the program.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Oh jesus wept....
How to establish a new world record in the distance by which the point can be missed
It is 100% legitimate to make that charge of the US ruling classes and the State they control.
Howver, the masses - the exploited masses - are not that State - they are it's victims too. Your approach is incredibly over-simplistic because it totally lacks any class analysis dialectic, which is what such analysis desperately needs, as something that is essential to explaining just how we got to this point
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Quit trying to bullshit me, all the versions of the claim amount to the same end result. Stop compromising your principles for the sake of stubbornness.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What are the facts? Your original 40 invasions or your later 40 us-led wars?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, they don't add up to the same thing
40 invasions or indeed 40 us-led wars ignores eg involvement in Greek civil war or toppling Allende.
No, it really doesn't. It's just you trying to say which US wars you approve of and which you'll eventually get around to condemning.
I don't split hairs on that. I start 'after' WW2 with my condemnation.
And then fwiw, are you completely familiar with all of Americans' popular opinions on WW2? Do you understand that it's popular for them to condemn America's participation because it wasn't their war and their business?
Why Pickman, many of them don't understand that Russia was an ally and likely made the largest contribution to defeating Nazi Germany!
Would it help if I said that I have about as much sympathy for the US as you would apparently have for N.K?Oh jesus wept....
How to establish a new world record in the dista\nce by which the p;oingt can be missed
It is 100% legitimate to make that charge of the US ruling classes and the State they control.
Howver, the masses - the exploited masses are not that State - they are it's victims too. Your approach is incredibly over-simp-listic because it totally lacks any class a nalysis dialectic, which is what such analysis desperately needs, as something that is essential to explaining just how we got to this point
Speaking of which, I'm glad they now have their nuclear deterrent, for the sake of world peace!
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Not even slightly, as there's no real political analysis there. And, as a marxist, I hate both the US ruling class and the betrayal of marxism that is NK.
That's political analysis - or at least, the start of one
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I haven't said I support this or I object to that. I have just tried to pin down what you mean, and you're all over the place. You started off farting about 40 us invasions. The us didn't really invade Korea or South Vietnam. They certainly didn't invade Iran in 1953. They didn't invade Guatemala to overthrow Arbenz. Then you said 40 us-led wars. Which leaves out other involvements. Say what you mean. mean what you say. Don't keep chopping and changing.
I actually started off with 40 US wars of aggression. If you can't accept that then the onus is on you to refute which ones didn't fit the description.
So how about I get you another link that says it in a way that you can approve? Get over this thing Pickman so we can get down to business.
Can we start talking about Venezuela and how the US is totally responsible for the pain being inflicted on those poor people? And something else to add to the conversation: Are you with me on my opinion that the US isn't going to 'do' Venezuela or Iran? China and Russia have interests in both and the days of US wars all over the globe have come to an end. Oh, and I would include Syria too now that Russia is there with impressive force.
Our future is in all small countries eventually finding their own big nuclear guardian and so far the ones that have aren't choosing the US. This is a sort of situation that has worked very well for the US's ME apartheid regime for years. I'm suggesting it's going to work for Russia's and China's client states too.
No more US bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians to save them! Agreed?
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Stop being so damn arrogant!!!
On more than one occasion, you have told one of our board members to "get over it"" so you can get down to business.
What is this business you talk about?
I am a Canadian, and tend to read articles that pertain to my country.
I'm guessing you don't.
Here we go, luv
Venezuela's foreign minister says Canada causing his country's collapse to 'take control' of its wealth
'Canada has been in the centre of these events and this means that they want to create the conditions in order to attack Venezuela, to invade Venezuela'
Did you get a chance to read the article?
It is four days old.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Venezuela's foreign minister says Canada causing his country's collapse to 'take control' of its wealth
'Canada has been in the centre of these events and this means that they want to create the conditions in order to attack Venezuela, to invade Venezuela'nationalpost.com
Oh, look!!!!
I posted it earlier on in the thread.
Surely, doing your due diligence, would have read this prior to jumping into the thread.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
well said, SP.Stop being so damn arrogant!!!
On more than one occasion, you have told one of our board members to "get over it"" so you can get down to business.
What is this business you talk about?
I am a Canadian, and tend to read articles that pertain to my country.
I'm guessing you don't.
Here we go, luv
Venezuela's foreign minister says Canada causing his country's collapse to 'take control' of its wealth
'Canada has been in the centre of these events and this means that they want to create the conditions in order to attack Venezuela, to invade Venezuela'
Did you get a chance to read the article?
It is four days old.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
wars of aggression def does not include gulf war I, Vietnam, Korea
If you can't say something which you mean, if you can't keep from shifting the parameters, you're clearly doing something wrong. How do you expect to persuade people when you can't keep things straight?
China and Russia had interests in Vietnam and we all know how that went. If you haven't noticed, us forces are reorienting towards training to fight peer and near-peer opponents, the Russians and Chinese. You don't know wtf you're on about. Chinese ambitions are imo rather more of a threat to peace than us ones. Indeed fighting has already happened recently between Chinese and Indian troops. The Chinese militarisation of the south china sea may well provoke a regional war with great danger of expansion. And say what you will of the foul us administration, they're not conducting a genocide in their own borders as the Chinese are in Xinjiang
our future is likely a general war with my guess it'll come round the middle of the decade.
Don't think you're in any way equipped to make that a reality
Sure I read it. Canada speaks American because we're forced to play along with them. This is the reason why I believe that Canada has to diversify our trade relations away from the US as quickly as possible. When we no longer care about being blackmailed by the US, they lose their power over us. Remember how we had to pay so dearly when Chretien kept our country out of their phony war on Iraq that was based on US lies and which slaughtered a million or more innocents?Stop being so damn arrogant!!!
On more than one occasion, you have told one of our board members to "get over it"" so you can get down to business.
What is this business you talk about?
I am a Canadian, and tend to read articles that pertain to my country.
I'm guessing you don't.
Here we go, luv
Venezuela's foreign minister says Canada causing his country's collapse to 'take control' of its wealth
'Canada has been in the centre of these events and this means that they want to create the conditions in order to attack Venezuela, to invade Venezuela'
Did you get a chance to read the article?
It is four days old.
Pleasure talking to a fellow Canadian peeper. Try to contain your anger over what you see as my arrogance.
Yeah, we surely do. LOL. Vietnam won their war and unified their country. Now they're doing great and no longer live in fear of US bombing. You made your point that time Pickman.
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