spring-peeper
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I will stop posting about your arrogance once you settle down and stop grading people based on your assumptions.
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I will stop posting about your arrogance once you settle down and stop grading people based on your assumptions.
I think it's more likely that we'll have to end up ignoring each other. Too bad if you can't stand the heat and stand your ground without having to threaten others.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
When the heck did I threaten you???
Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance.
I would suggest you put me on ignore.
I don't like snooty Canadians.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
You really do love your stalinist police state dictatorships, don't you?
Here's why they're not great places to live
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's like the fighting from 1963 to 1975 never happened.
if by 'won the war' you mean 'suffered more than a million casualties and saw their country's economy fucked' then yes, the vietnamese won. but at such a cost i can't see how a defeat would have been worse. even now munitions from that era claim victims. and as Streathamite points out, it's not the most pleasant place to live.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Most amenable to the far right though
yout u.be/6lzB Cv_ 3WvQ
(Link broken for obvious reasons)
Better a communist dictatorship than the ‘degenerate’ US I guess
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Starry Wisdom
strikes me as a man with much to be modest about
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
A twat in sheep’s clothing?
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I think I would prefer such wisdom as Mr Attlee offered in his lifetime
Did Vietnam come close to equalling the world's leading country on incarceration rates?
You've certainly succeeded in pointing out the horror of the US bombing and burning of Vietnam that was meant to prevent the unification of that country!
Was the death toll worth it? Absolutely, because it would have cost more lives of Vietnamese people had they not been resolute in gaining their freedom.
What is it that motivates you to say such things Pickman? Do you suppose the people deliberately stood under the falling US bombs to prove a point? What?
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Starry Wisdom
I think we're still stuck on your 40 wars of aggression / invasions / us led wars. Because as far as I'm concerned you've nary a clue of the past 3/4 of a century. Your 'the us is nasty' and 'the small countries of the world need to line up behind a nuclear power to protect themselves against the evil empire' - plus your great confusion over what the us has done that you object to - adds up to a facile 'death to america' version of anti-imperialism. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend: seeing the great hope as Putin or xi jinping ignores the fact neither of those men is any nicer than gwb, obama or trump.
IMO you've made a worthwhile point in that Putin or Xi are no more, or less, likely to take small countries under their nuclear umbrella than is the US. And as to the evil empire', the track record of that country since the end of WW2 leaves us with no doubt on it's identity. That is, regardless of whether you want to refer to it's aggression as wars, invasions, humanitarian bombing, or some other novel excuse.
Supporting one ruling class and it's nation states against others is stupid frankly. The international working class should be supported versus the ruling classes of ALL nation states.
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I don't know why you think 1945 so significant, being as us interventions overseas hardly started then. Your frankly dull anti-americanism quickly palls. Do you have but the one string to your bow?
In a sense WW2 was America's good war in that it was considered charitable of them taking part. However, amongst the American people the opinion is far from unanimous that they were right to take part. Are you aware of that?
No such doubt was ever voiced by the Soviet Union as to their cause of defeating Nazism. Thus, the Soviet Union made the greatest sacrifice and won our war with the blood of many millions. Yet as soon as that war ended the allied forces turned against the Soviet Union on behalf of the US cause of aggression.
Ever heard of the Non-Aggression Pact? Jesus Christ!
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Are you a complete fucking pillock, or still under construction?Don't sweat the details. I didn't find the exact link but I found a suitable substitute.
All that really matters is the facts.
US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWII - PopularResistance.Org
By James A. Lucas for Counter Currents - After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the...popularresistance.org
Has Britain really been sucked into being a US apologist country now? This is the only forum I've spent any time on so I'm going to have to sniff it out for a while. Streath sounded encouragingly antiwar so far but I haven't heard enough from you yet to tell.
I'm not ignoring your attempts to be included in the conversation. I'll likely have more time for you now that Streath has run for cover. But please make an attempt at some substance that is worthy of my time.
Cheers from Canada.
So you're not even going to engage with that then?! Fucking hell you're a twat!
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Whoa there. No such doubt was ever voiced by the Soviet Union as to their cause of defeating Nazi Germany? This would be the same Soviet Union who signed a non-aggession pact with Nazi Germany and divided Poland with Nazi Germany?
Ooh whats the matter Donald H? You are not responding. I can't wait for you to do so though, should be good.
I think he's legged it!
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Brave sir donald
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Well I'm not in construction Sass, not my trade, but I'd say he's the finished works, with my keen amateur eye.
He's a paid Chinese propagandist, trust me, I've encountered countless before and he is a typical case. Don't waste your time on him.
Wumao can be identified by their obsession with the USA and belief that almost all countries are somehow tributary states of the USA, and a classically fascist world view which views global politics as a constant struggle for hegemony of great powers. Only the US, China, and maybe Russia are relevant to them, and all other countries are seen as pawns and understood only in their relationship to the US or China. They have minimal understanding of political theory so there is no point trying to talk about class or Marxism with them, and when challenged they won't engage with your points - for they do not have serious views but are just paid to disrupt - but will instead resort to evasion, mockery, and irrelevant attacks on the US.
Expect more of these dullards in the coming years, but this is the is the characteristic worldview and behaviour to look out for and how to recognise them. We're going to have to get used to it I'm afraid. I recommend we just ban them as they aren't interested in genuine discussion.
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I had him down as some sort of pro-nk Stalinist but I'll bow to your expertise
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