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The current rise of the European FAR right; why it's happening and how to fight it.

Pickman's model said:
this sounds like you talking about dresdeners, not your mate's input
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I like Dresden. It's a cool city. I've always found the people there okay. When I asked my mate about what was happening with Pegida, that was his explanation of it. It isn't happening on the same scale in other East German cities.
 
Are you yourself a self-hating Teuton, GC? If your actually referring to some German bloke you met down the pub, perhaps you should remember that in Britain too you can find bigoted twats willing to sprout of about those who live in other bits of the country.
 
By the way, yesterday was the 70th anniversary of the bombing of Magdeburg. I was there for the 50th anniversary and stood with many hundreds of Germans outside a church that had been rebuilt after its destruction. That was emotional.
 
tim said:
Are you yourself a self-hating Teuton, GC? If your actually referring to some German bloke you met down the pub, perhaps you should remember that in Britain too you can find bigoted twats willing to sprout of about those who live in other bits of the country.
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I'm talking about one of my best mates who is a Magdeburger and who hates Nazis.
 
goldenecitrone said:
I like Dresden. It's a cool city. I've always found the people there okay. When I asked my mate about what was happening with Pegida, that was his explanation of it. It isn't happeuning on the same scale in other East German cities.
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Christ if only convincing others of the error of their ways was so easy! From all Dresdeners being thats to them all being ok in just two postman impressiveexample fortitude readjustment
 
coley said:
I think you would find many, many more tales of genuine social hardship at the other end of the social scale.
I find the claim, that those at the top of the money tree suffer most, utterly risible.
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But Capitalism messing up even those it is supposed to serve is another argument in favour of egalitarianism.
 
goldenecitrone said:
By the way, yesterday was the 70th anniversary of the bombing of Magdeburg. I was there for the 50th anniversary and stood with many hundreds of Germans outside a church that had been rebuilt after its destruction. That was emotional.
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do they do anything to mark the events of 20/5/1631? i understand the city suffered great devastation then too.
 
goldenecitrone said:
I was talking to a German mate about Pegida tonight, and he reckons Dresden had always been a bit backward, never got foreign broadcasts in the valley during the DDR times and is now full of ignorant tossers who blame the rest of the world for their ills. The number of foreigners who actually live in Dresden is marginal, the number of muslims is infinitesimally small. Backwards cunts who haven't caught up with modernity.
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I wouldn't call them "backward", as they were one of the technical centres of the DDR, but Dresdeners are very much aware, with the death of their industrial sector after reunification, that tourism is very much the main draw to the city, and like many Ossi communities, see immigration as a threat in what were and still are very small-c conservative communities. They felt a similar animus about the Russians in their midst pre-'91.
 
If Dresden does indeed have a very low proportion of immigrant residents, that may go a long way to explaining this attitude; there is a good correlation between xenophobia and a lack of diversity. When people never encounter one of the "others" it is easier to see them in terms of stereotypes, as having common features, and as threatening.
 
contracycle said:
If Dresden does indeed have a very low proportion of immigrant residents, that may go a long way to explaining this attitude; there is a good correlation between xenophobia and a lack of diversity. When people never encounter one of the "others" it is easier to see them in terms of stereotypes, as having common features, and as threatening.
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see, for example, goldenecitrone and dresdeners.
 
goldenecitrone said:
I'm so xenophobic I lived in Germany for four years and learnt the language. You daft cunt.
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it's you that's daft you thick as pigshit wankstain

did i mention 'germans'? no. did i mention dresdeners? yes. have you ever met a dresdener? not from the evidence of your posts. but you (not your mate, you) are prepared to damn them as 'backwards cunts'. i didn't suggest in any way shape or form that you disliked germans per se.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I wouldn't call them "backward", as they were one of the technical centres of the DDR, but Dresdeners are very much aware, with the death of their industrial sector after reunification, that tourism is very much the main draw to the city, and like many Ossi communities, see immigration as a threat in what were and still are very small-c conservative communities. They felt a similar animus about the Russians in their midst pre-'91.
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From the New Yorker 6/11/14

"The improvement was significant, but “miracle” might be overstating the case. Per-capita G.D.P. in the eastern states, boosted by investments from the West, started to level off after 1997, whereas the original West German “economic miracle” described growth that persisted for more than a decade. And although the regional differences have lessened, the former G.D.R. still lags behind western Germany in virtually every economic metric. Labor productivity and levels of industrialization are both significantly lower in eastern Germany, and median wages are still twenty per cent lower than those in western states for the same work. Most notably, unemployment remains persistently high. In 2005, it rose to more than eighteen per cent; in 2013, the latest year considered in the KfW study, unemployment in eastern Germany was 10.3 per cent, compared to six per cent in the west."

If you add to this that only about 10% of enterprises with over 500 workers are located in the East, I think, you can get a sense of frustration that people in the East feel. It's safe to say that frustration is being directed at the wrong target.
 
Pegida leader resigns after pictures of him posing as Hitler appear. Was fur eine dumme Fotze.

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Interesting cartoon in Der Spiegel. Seems it's not an uncommon view of Dresdeners in Germany.

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/g...u-findet-doch-statt-fotostrecke-123054-3.html

Warum ist Pegida aufgerechtnet in Dresden so erfolgreich? (Why is Pegida so successful in Dresden?)

And in the picture with Dresden's skyline we see the Dresdeners speaking

Wie bitte? Was steht da? Die Erde ist eine Kugel? Verdammte Lugenpresse! (What's that? The Earth is round? Verdammte Lugenpresse!)

:D

I'm sure you know the associations of Lugenpresse in German.
 
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