Structaural
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I think he's the smiling one (but it's hard to tell).
I thought Confucius invented martial arts? His name was K'ung Fu-tzu after all
Taoism/Anarchism
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I think he's the smiling one (but it's hard to tell).
I thought Confucius invented martial arts? His name was K'ung Fu-tzu after all
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
But doesn't Kung Fu-tzu mean 'King something or other' as well, him being the founder of a fairly significant socio-philosophical system?
max_freakout
Nothing matters
i think anarchy and the tao are one and the same thing - the state of there being nobody in control
"anarchists" are, for the most part, just a bunch of clueless communists who love getting beaten up by police
"anarchists" are, for the most part, just a bunch of clueless communists who love getting beaten up by police
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I honestly did not expect such a firmly convincing confirmation of my earlier post Max, so thank you for that.
Cid
Proper break this time
ugh... Anarchism of the variety I think you are talking about would be anarcho-communism, which is a sort of response to the centralisation of communism saying that, instead, there should a level field of workers councils, volunteers etc. It is one of many forms of anarchism and the only things that really tie them together are the dissolution of centralised power and the rights of the individual.
Cid
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Where do you place yourself in the political spectrum...
Fuck, I know that was a bad idea; the answer is just going to be 'nowhere' (can we have a <wince> smiley please ed?).
Hehe...
max_freakout
Nothing matters
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
No anarchists want control of their own lives, anarcho communists want that, and for society to be a commune of consenting participatory adults.
In my opinion some sort of authority structure would still arise after awhile, a year, a decade tops, we can't help it.
Cid
Proper break this time
You love your semantics so think about it like this... The origins of anarchy are in anarchia; without a ruler. The term does not imply disorder, although one of its definitions does. When anarchy as a political philosophy is talked about that implication of disorder is simply not there. It's unfortunate that the word anarchy has come to have that association because it distracts from the political systems themselves.
To answer your questions;
First one, pretty much what foreigner said.
No, someone not believing in anarcho-communism would not be imprisoned and (theoretically at least) they would have as much right as anyone else to do things like attend committees.
I'm not an anarcho-communist incidentally.
max_freakout
Nothing matters
this ^ is why "anarchists" are so clueless, they don't want anarchy, they want control/authority/coercion etc
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
No, that's what socialists want in order to make men 'better', just the same way tories want authority in order to rein in man's innate evil. Socialism is Pelegian, Toryism Augustinian, but both believe that the State should be the mechanism through which their coercion will work.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Shades of The Wanting Seed by Anthony Burgess.
Just re-read 1985, which I suspect has many of the same points in it, altho obviously it's more directly related to Orwell's cacotopia...
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yeah, quite a character - an anarchist-ish with High Tory leanings WRT culture and learning.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
No, that's what authoratarian (or state) socialists want.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Are there any other kind? The only ones I've ever met want greater state intervention, are obsessed with 'Party' and generally I see them as the classic Pied Pipers promising a better way, when in fact the only real change would be in HOW and WHY the coercion and opression is carried out - both socialists and tories share the idea that people need to be changed for 'their own good' and that application of their political philosophies to everyone is the way to achieve that.
rogue_lettuce
Member
Max_freakoutatistas, communique #1:
Anarchists want authority, antifascists want racial segregation, tories want nationalisation and feminists want beating and stew recipes.
Long live the tory anarchy revolution.
Anarchists want authority, antifascists want racial segregation, tories want nationalisation and feminists want beating and stew recipes.
Long live the tory anarchy revolution.
Gmart
Well-Known Member
Indeed. The first verse of the Tao Te Ching states that:
So the first point it makes is that words are useless when talking about these sorts of issue, metaphysical issues.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
Dialectial thinking no?
Gmart
Well-Known Member
Not really a quest for truth, just to flow with life.
maomao
普費斯
That's a shit translation.
I prefer:
The way that can be followed is not the true way.
The name that can be called is not the true name.
( the word for 'way' and 'follow' are the same in Chinese, as are the words for 'name' and 'call' so it has a great rhythm dao ke dao fei chang dao, ming ke ming fei chang ming)
edit to add: 'not the common way' would be a more exact translation.
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