Support the French Rioters!
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What do you mean it doesn't work?newbie said:
Class (a useful, political definition) indicates a shared economic interest. Unemployed and employed workers have the same interests at heart, cos high unemployment is bad for both groups (high unemployment = big reserve labour pool = easy to hire + fire = low wages). Let's not get into this now.
Taxamo: if you really need to ask that, I think you've been hanging out with the wombles too much...
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
no not at all.
i'm pming you now.
i'm pming you now.
sihhi said:
http://www.hull.ac.uk/Hull/guidelines/legal.html
Incitement
It is illegal to incite others to break the law. This can include incitement to riot, or inciting others to hack into computers. It doesn't matter whether or not other people do break the law; if you incite them to do so, that's illegal.
Also
http://www.uel.ac.uk/qa/manual/documents/PART16-Freedom.pdf
Suggested reading:-
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section11/chapter_a.html
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Shippou-Chan said:
Me? Serious? nahhh!
Yoink!
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
look:sihhi said:
"Over 300 French towns and cities have now seen riots against the police and the government. More will follow.
Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same."
They are rioting, we should riot too. I think thats what tobyjug pointing out. I'm not sure he is right though. The berlin and brussels things were car burnings too BTW, not pickets outside embassies.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
except in the case they point out where cars were burnt...rednblack said:
I'm not arguing the case, i'm just pointing something out which is obvious.
Its not incitement to riot though.
newbie
undisambiguated
icepick said:
like I said above, I'm an ignorant Brit and my understanding of what's going on across the water is skimpy and partial. but for months now we've been fed the line that Anglo/American economic liberalism is at odds with European social protectionism, with unemployment being a major point of difference. The agenda for pumping out that line is fairly obvious. However, there are social consequences to both models, and they don't necessarily shoehorn into a common political definition.
If, as appears to be the case in France, economic interest is not 'shared' between those on good wages, with a high social wage and strong unions, and those with neither work nor hope then describing them all as 'working class' doesn't really illuminate.
I rather doubt that people riot night after night, and that such rioting would spread to other areas, unless those involved are seriously unhappy- they think they have little or nothing to lose. If that feeling was shared across the whole of the w/c this would have spread far beyond the fairly narrow demographic that appears to be involved.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
''Over 300 French towns and cities have now seen riots against the police and the government. More will follow.
Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same."
yes they showed it by BURNING SOME CARS!
I am not on tobyjugs side, i do not think its incitement to riot but can people not see where he could have got that impression? Stop going ''
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Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same."
yes they showed it by BURNING SOME CARS!
I am not on tobyjugs side, i do not think its incitement to riot but can people not see where he could have got that impression? Stop going ''
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Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
DoUsAFavour said:
if i had known it was going to be that popular i would have spent a little more time on it
You haven't demonstrated this first point at all. It's a simple fact that high unemployment means low wages for the employed.newbie said:
I never said they shared the same feelings. While the w/c shares a long-term economic interest, not all of us share the same politics or short-term aspirations, I never claimed we did. If we did then we'd be living under communism now!
Can we ignore tobyjug? He's a nob.
montevideo
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Taxamo Welf said:I didn't think you were that into banners...?
And the Wombles make excellent banners?
ok
Blimey, of all the things said about your organisation on this thread, to pick up on that.
the sturdy 'class war' banner at the bonfire was pretty impressive. I'll give it a 9.
Again & again those who turn to their abstract political models to explain the world are terrified when those models don't mirror the real life actions & activities of a class they are supposed to be supporting.
We have working class people fighting non-stop for the past 2 weeks, often amongst themselves, more usually against the police, certainly with a disdain for property (regardless of who owns it), & despite the upsurge in support both in other french cities & across europe, we are having an argument about the various merits of what constitutes acceptable 'class anger'.
By isolating moments that damn the whole (echoing the right wing media with almost shameless ease) the despairing quality of their self-righteousness becomes all the more apparent.
Don't know about you monty, but I don't "support" the working class. When our class does things which advance our collective interests, that's good. When we fight amongst ourselves, that's bad. Examples of the latter would be things like sectarian violence in NI, race riot in Birmingham, football hooliganism. Obviously in France now there are elements of both. "Supporting" them all is fucking ridiculous, as is supporting the actions of all "working class" people just cos they happen to be working class (Fred West?). Is that what you do, monte? Support all working class people, all the time, no matter what they do?montevideo said:
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